OKC police officer slams old guy unconscious

[CHenry]

Why did the other lady get one then? Feeling generous???

He was a roided up cock. Seen 100s of that type.

 

[Camo]

He was a roided up cock. Seen 100s of that type.

Much assumption there my friend,

 

[TedKennedy]

Much assumption there my friend,

It's for his safety.

(childish phrase used to excuse violating rights)

 

[Spd37]

I was’t going to respond to this thread; but since it has remained on the forum for so long; so, I decided to settle the issues brought forward in discussion.
1) The subject touched the officer.
2) Subject description: elderly male very possibly into his eighth decade; short stature; endomorphic physique with probable arthritic degeneration of the cervical spine causing neck stiffness indicated by moderate kyphosis and probable bilateral limitation in lateral rotation; gait appeared stable but stiff.
3) The officer responded technically within the confines of the law. However, his assessment of the nature of the escalating agitation of the subject and force he employed to maintain control of the situation certainly exceeded that which would have been sufficient on two levels. First, a signature on a summons for a traffic violation is not mandatory unless there are unresolved issues outstanding and in need of further investigation. An arrest for refusal to sign is optional at the officer’s discretion. His demand for a signature and threat to arrest for failure to sign were evidence that the situation had drifted into a battle of wills. The fact that the summons was ready for the subject’s signature indicates that the requisite information had already been obtained from the subjects driver’s license and other documents. Second, the subject’s physical condition posed absolutely no threat to the officer. A step back and warning to caution the elderly subject would have been the next appropriate step. There was something amiss in the officer’s ability to assess the overall situation.
4) Qualification for employment as an OKC Police Officer requires a minimum (4) College Degree, Completion of Police Academy and acceptance after passing Probationary Period under the supervision of experienced Officers. Police Academy training includes information pertaining to assessing the various factors related to subject behavior which include: age; sex; race; ethnicity; language; medical, developmental, psychological, emotional, issues subsequent to the effects of illicit drugs, alcohol, prescription medications, and/or issues related or suggesting criminal activity or intoxication as well as shock, confusion or agitation following accidents, trauma, injury or death of a loved one or friend, weather exposure or other factors. Police work is dangerous, complex demanding profession that requires intelligence, intuition, good judgement courage and integrity.
5) Officer performance: The officer employed far more physical force than needed to maintain situational control. He failed to assess and recognize the nature of the subject’s agitation which (aside from the traumatic experience of a vehicular accident) was in all probability related to a degenerative neurocognitive deficit related to his advanced age coupled with perceived disrespect from a much younger person. In short, he failed to appropriately assess and cope with the subject’s behavior and acted inappropriately. One is compelled to ask the question as to how he might handle a near term pregnant woman whom had just seen her husband beaten to death by a thugs by drug cartel gangsters.
6) Conclusion: The officer was not guilty of criminal behavior as he acted within the confines of the law. His take down and arrest were executed perfectly, but despite his enormous physical advantage and fast response, he made no visible attempt to prevent the subject’s skull from impacting the ground. If I was evaluating the incident and the officer’s performance, I would terminate his employment The subject he arrested posed no greater threat than dry leaves blowing by his jackboots on a gentle spring breeze.

You’re still talking out of both sides of your mouth. The cop did nothing wrong, but will be fired for what he did.

To say that the IA investigation was “botched” just shows that you disagree with their findings.

Why not let a grand jury decide if prosecuting the cop is the right thing to do?

As far as the DA being woke: based on her prior actions, she apparently has no problem dismissing charges against cops because she’s done it multiple times already.

 

[Spd37]

I was’t going to respond to this thread; but since it has remained on the forum for so long; so, I decided to settle the issues brought forward in discussion.
1) The subject touched the officer.
2) Subject description: elderly male very possibly into his eighth decade; short stature; endomorphic physique with probable arthritic degeneration of the cervical spine causing neck stiffness indicated by moderate kyphosis and probable bilateral limitation in lateral rotation; gait appeared stable but stiff.
3) The officer responded technically within the confines of the law. However, his assessment of the nature of the escalating agitation of the subject and force he employed to maintain control of the situation certainly exceeded that which would have been sufficient on two levels. First, a signature on a summons for a traffic violation is not mandatory unless there are unresolved issues outstanding and in need of further investigation. An arrest for refusal to sign is optional at the officer’s discretion. His demand for a signature and threat to arrest for failure to sign were evidence that the situation had drifted into a battle of wills. The fact that the summons was ready for the subject’s signature indicates that the requisite information had already been obtained from the subjects driver’s license and other documents. Second, the subject’s physical condition posed absolutely no threat to the officer. A step back and warning to caution the elderly subject would have been the next appropriate step. There was something amiss in the officer’s ability to assess the overall situation.
4) Qualification for employment as an OKC Police Officer requires a minimum (4) College Degree, Completion of Police Academy and acceptance after passing Probationary Period under the supervision of experienced Officers. Police Academy training includes information pertaining to assessing the various factors related to subject behavior which include: age; sex; race; ethnicity; language; medical, developmental, psychological, emotional, issues subsequent to the effects of illicit drugs, alcohol, prescription medications, and/or issues related or suggesting criminal activity or intoxication as well as shock, confusion or agitation following accidents, trauma, injury or death of a loved one or friend, weather exposure or other factors. Police work is dangerous, complex demanding profession that requires intelligence, intuition, good judgement courage and integrity.
5) Officer performance: The officer employed far more physical force than needed to maintain situational control. He failed to assess and recognize the nature of the subject’s agitation which (aside from the traumatic experience of a vehicular accident) was in all probability related to a degenerative neurocognitive deficit related to his advanced age coupled with perceived disrespect from a much younger person. In short, he failed to appropriately assess and cope with the subject’s behavior and acted inappropriately. One is compelled to ask the question as to how he might handle a near term pregnant woman whom had just seen her husband beaten to death by a thugs by drug cartel gangsters.
6) Conclusion: The officer was not guilty of criminal behavior as he acted within the confines of the law. His take down and arrest were executed perfectly, but despite his enormous physical advantage and fast response, he made no visible attempt to prevent the subject’s skull from impacting the ground. If I was evaluating the incident and the officer’s performance, I would terminate his employment The subject he arrested posed no greater threat than dry leaves blowing by his jackboots on a gentle spring breeze.

I wish you wouldn’t have responded. What are you a doctor ? You visual check the guy out and give physical assessment that he had arthritis and problems with his back and neck? ******* guy could’ve been Bruce Lee for all you know. You were not there you saw a short video. There’s been 90 year old men kill cops. The guy should’ve just signed the citation and not tried to have court on the side of the road. You say he didn’t break the law but let’s fire him? You must be an administrator that had zero balls.

 

[Spd37]

No one here is saying that it was ok for Vu to make contact with the cop. It wasn’t. Most of us are saying that the cop’s response to that touch was too extreme. Most of us have the biggest issue not with the cop’s actions, but with the AG interjecting himself and not letting the process sort it out. The precedent being set there is concerning.

So what should he have done played patty cakes. It was a simple take down and cuffing technique. It looked bad bc the guy was small and frail. That’s hard to assess in the moment. You guys saying he was to extreme have no clue what it’s like for people not to comply and then someone get physical. Most of these people would piss themselves in these situations. Just a bunch of arm chair quarterbacks that don’t have any business commenting.

 

[TedKennedy]

So what should he have done played patty cakes. It was a simple take down and cuffing technique. It looked bad bc the guy was small and frail. That’s hard to assess in the moment. You guys saying he was to extreme have no clue what it’s like for people not to comply and then someone get physical. Most of these people would piss themselves in these situations. Just a bunch of arm chair quarterbacks that don’t have any business commenting.

Thank you for that insightful assessment.

What qualifies you to make your statements?

 

[Camo]

He was a roided up cock. Seen 100s of that type.

I would have assumed the old man was on something by his erratic behavior except I’ve dealt with these people in Oregon and they always argue, won’t let you finish a sentence, get loud and talk over everyone.

More interactions were simple infractions that would end with a discussion and maybe a verbal warning but it got to the point of just giving the citation and departing without engaging in this behavior (see ignore them when they act like this)

 

[BillM]

So what should he have done played patty cakes. It was a simple take down and cuffing technique. It looked bad bc the guy was small and frail. That’s hard to assess in the moment. You guys saying he was to extreme have no clue what it’s like for people not to comply and then someone get physical. Most of these people would piss themselves in these situations. Just a bunch of arm chair quarterbacks that don’t have any business commenting.

I will say it one more time, for the slow people in the class. Cop should have spun him around and cuffed and stuffed him in the back of the squad car. NOT flipped him upside down and pile driven him headfirst into the pavement. IF he had done the spin & cuff & stuff, we wouldn't be cussing and discussing this. Nor would it be international news. I'm not a cop, but spent more than half of my life hanging around with both military and civilian cops. I have at least a bit of a clue.

 

[TedKennedy]

I would have assumed the old man was on something by his erratic behavior except I’ve dealt with these people in Oregon and they always argue, won’t let you finish a sentence, get loud and talk over everyone.

More interactions were simple infractions that would end with a discussion and maybe a verbal warning but it got to the point of just giving the citation and departing without engaging in this behavior (see ignore them when they act like this)

Whooo lawdy!