Oklahoma House democrats introduce SAVE Act to curb gun violence

[Tanis143]

OMIGERD! SOSHERLISM! COMMYOUNISM! An ANTIFA!

LMAO

What is an 'antifa' anyway? How are they organized, exactly? Are they pro fascism, or anti fascism?

They are pro-socialist, which is just as bad as fascism. I'm anti-both.

You might want to read up on the federalist papers on this topic.

You haven't done that, have you?

Actually, I have. And the writers of the federalist papers considered the militia as the best way to keep the country free, but felt that the amount of training need to be "well regulated" would disrupt too many lives and advocated for smaller militias rather than a large one (such as a standing army) that the federal government could call up should the need arise (specifically Madison, Federalist Papers #29) The anti-federalist papers did not want to give the federal government control over the state militias for fear the larger government could use those militias in tyrannical ways. And they were right. The federal government HAS used federal forces against its own population many times.

People have argued that this invalidates the idea that the 2nd amendment protects an individuals right to own firearms, however that is nonsensical. Yes, the 18th century idea of a militia included membership into a state militia, however they also understood that if the need arises average citizens could join a militia at any time and would need their own firearms and be proficient in their use. That is why the Heller case won in its SCOTUS case.

Here is a good article, with quotes from James Madison, that ties it all together.

According to the Founders, all federal gun restrictions are unconstitutional

The notion that the federal government has the power to impose gun-control laws is an invention of the 20th century.

thehill.com

I'm guessing that since the most restrictive gun law states have the least amount of gun murders per capita, they used ideas from those states.

Um, no. The research you are looking at (I know, because I've looked as well) includes homicides and suicides. DC is the number one for gun homicides per capita. The top 10 includes 4 blue states with strict gun laws. The actual cause of the high gun murders is the rate of poverty combined with population density. When you have a high concentration of low income in a high population density, you have more crime and more murders by firearms. The only difference is in states with less gun laws you have more of a mix between criminal homicide and justifiable homicide (both are considered homicides in the states but are, indeed, quite different). This is proven when you compare cities that have the highest population of people below the poverty line to the respective crime rates. All, including homicide (of which a firearm is used statistically in 3/4th of all homicide), are higher when poverty is higher.
So the problem is not with lax gun laws, its a social economical issue. Gun control will not fix that. It never has and never will.

So, your argument for gun control is flawed. Plain and simple.

 

[dennishoddy]

They are an Extreme minority in a red state. Crybabies without power

We have had some democrat Governors. We aren't that far off from purple.

 

[dennishoddy]

To hell with those communist freedom hating biden **** sucking ***** democrats.

How the **** do *** wipes like those get elected here in Oklahoma?

Tell us how you really feel and don't hold back this time.

 

[dennishoddy]

Geez another hypocrite that provides no evidence yet attacks others. Ignored.

Don't ignore, just don't respond. It's kabuki theater to watch the reply's by the troll where he/she/it/them(or whatever pronoun he/she/it/them wish to go by) accuses others of false statements, yet never produces links to repudiate them.

 

[dennishoddy]

How about a law to hang political hacks when caught lying.....

Current law says washington politicians in the legislature cannot be prosecuted for lying even if under oath. Guess who wrote that law.

 

[Tanis143]

Current law says washington politicians in the legislature cannot be prosecuted for lying even if under oath. Guess who wrote that law.

The same people who give themselves raises even when we have historically high deficit rates.

 

[dennishoddy]

The same people who give themselves raises even when we have historically high deficit rates.

Yep.

 

[Seadog]

To hell with those communist freedom hating biden **** sucking ***** democrats.

How the **** do *** wipes like those get elected here in Oklahoma?

Big city’s have to many Democrats.

 

[Snattlerake]

The same people who give themselves raises even when we have historically high deficit rates.

Actually, they have to vote to NOT take the raise, they are automatic and have been for years.

Do Members of Congress get Automatic Pay Hikes (COLAs)?

Do Members of Congress get Automatic Pay Hikes (COLAs)? Under the terms of Public Law 101-194, the Government Ethics Reform Act of 1989, lawmakers receive an annual adjustment in pay [a cost of living adjustment or COLA] equal to the change in the government's Employment Cost Index for the...

www.ntu.org

An automatic provision is made for this pay hike each year, and is self-implementing without any specific vote by Congress

 

[SlugSlinger]

Some people look up the facts and actually do their homework; others use catchphrases and don't bother to research a damn thing.

And some people like to spin information and pretend they are facts.

What I am seeing from all your liberal resources are the inclusion of all gun deaths, not specific to murder per capita. This includes self defense, accidental discharges and suicide.