What is wrong with a tactical thigh holster?
Nothing if it is your preferred carry method. My problem is when someone also "sports" one or two OWB holsters with a tactical thigh holster or slings an AR over the shoulder just to create a reaction in public.
Nothing.... operators gotta operate.
Some of the comments in this thread remind me of the thread where someone questioned a guy who was carrying a 1911 cocked and locked as to whether he was being reckless or not.
The visible cocked hammer frightened him whereas a cocked striker, that he couldn't see, did not.
The visible cocked hammer frightened him whereas a cocked striker, that he couldn't see, did not.
this is one of the most idiotic posts I have ever read. You must be one of those that thinks just like the liberal democrats do. By your post, you do.
Depends on the thigh it's on...
I remember all the same arguments about the blood in the streets and shootouts at the OK Corral from our Reps when CC was being debated back in '95, and I remember listening to the same arguments live in the House when OC was being debated. It was funny... same hyperbole, same arguments, same language.
It's been done all over this country. In spite of the fear, the complications have not arisen, not in anything approaching significant numbers.
I know ccrcboatz, he's not a weenie, and not a whiner. He's a good guy, we had a good convo after a ftf. I don't agree with him on this particular issue, not in the least, but he's still a good guy in my book. I can understand the concerns he has, and I am ALL FOR protecting our LEOs who risk their lives every single day. I am. But I also think that needs to be balanced with citizens' rights, and if LEO "safety" were the absolute 100% most important factor in the scenario, then OC and CC should be abolished, too, heck, all guns should be removed. But we don't. We balanced rights with freedom. And in this particular instance, with this particular right (OC, permitless), the facts have been proven elsewhere already. I don't think Oklahomans are significantly less law-abiding, or more dangerous by-and-large to law enforcement than the same slice of the population in Oregon, Virginia, Arizona, or wherever. Bottom line is, it's already been done. We've had this type of carry in some states for decades without significant problems, and some states with a LOT more problem of illegal immigration than Oklahoma.
As someone said above, illegal folks don't wanna attract any more attention than necessary by OCing a firearm.
Despite concerns, few problems arise with open-carry gun law
New Mississippi law sparked much debate
Similar stories abound.
Hell, there are 8 states now that have TRUE Constitutional Carry, with both Open and Concealed Carry allowed without permit, training or background check... do we see stories of such incidents? LEO's being killed there by people OCing? Or at all? Not really... do you think for a second the mainstream media and anti-gun crowd wouldn't be crowing those stats from the hilltops if incidents like that were on the rise? Of course they would, they would be trumpeting them in national ad campaigns, in every way they could. But those incidents are still as rare and ambiguous as they always have been. Yes, they happen, but the people who are likely to do such things are not concerned about laws, they don't follow the politics, and they are simply bad people all around. Good, law-abiding citizens are not going to be transformed into cop-killers by such a law change, and LEOs are not going to be LESS attentive to their own safety in such situations. I'm just saying, it's been done, the numbers hold up, there is no significant change. And if you look at things over time, as gun laws become more pro-2A, violent crime goes down.
According to opencarry.org, there are now 30 states where open carry is legal without a permit! Another 15 allow it with a permit. That's 45 states where OC is allowed!!!! I can't believe that, though I am happy as can be! And yet... how many stories do we hear of law-abiding people suddenly using their legally-carried firearms to instigate murderous incidents? Very, very few... self-defense? Yup. Absolutely. Murder? Mayhem? Rare as hens' teeth. It's just how it is. In spite of how uncomfortable it might make some people, the fact is, the majority of people are law-abiding.
crrcboatz, I respect you, and I respect your opinion. I agree that we should do whatever is reasonable to protect our law enforcement officers. But the bottom line is, in this particular instance, the argument you are using has already been used, and it's already been disproved all over this country. In 30 states other than Oklahoma. How much more preponderance of the evidence do we need before it is considered "safe" to restore the rights to Oklahomans that our Founding Fathers enjoyed and hoped to preserve for us? We're not subjects, we're citizens.
It's been done all over this country. In spite of the fear, the complications have not arisen, not in anything approaching significant numbers.
I know ccrcboatz, he's not a weenie, and not a whiner. He's a good guy, we had a good convo after a ftf. I don't agree with him on this particular issue, not in the least, but he's still a good guy in my book. I can understand the concerns he has, and I am ALL FOR protecting our LEOs who risk their lives every single day. I am. But I also think that needs to be balanced with citizens' rights, and if LEO "safety" were the absolute 100% most important factor in the scenario, then OC and CC should be abolished, too, heck, all guns should be removed. But we don't. We balanced rights with freedom. And in this particular instance, with this particular right (OC, permitless), the facts have been proven elsewhere already. I don't think Oklahomans are significantly less law-abiding, or more dangerous by-and-large to law enforcement than the same slice of the population in Oregon, Virginia, Arizona, or wherever. Bottom line is, it's already been done. We've had this type of carry in some states for decades without significant problems, and some states with a LOT more problem of illegal immigration than Oklahoma.
As someone said above, illegal folks don't wanna attract any more attention than necessary by OCing a firearm.
Despite concerns, few problems arise with open-carry gun law
New Mississippi law sparked much debate
Similar stories abound.
Hell, there are 8 states now that have TRUE Constitutional Carry, with both Open and Concealed Carry allowed without permit, training or background check... do we see stories of such incidents? LEO's being killed there by people OCing? Or at all? Not really... do you think for a second the mainstream media and anti-gun crowd wouldn't be crowing those stats from the hilltops if incidents like that were on the rise? Of course they would, they would be trumpeting them in national ad campaigns, in every way they could. But those incidents are still as rare and ambiguous as they always have been. Yes, they happen, but the people who are likely to do such things are not concerned about laws, they don't follow the politics, and they are simply bad people all around. Good, law-abiding citizens are not going to be transformed into cop-killers by such a law change, and LEOs are not going to be LESS attentive to their own safety in such situations. I'm just saying, it's been done, the numbers hold up, there is no significant change. And if you look at things over time, as gun laws become more pro-2A, violent crime goes down.
According to opencarry.org, there are now 30 states where open carry is legal without a permit! Another 15 allow it with a permit. That's 45 states where OC is allowed!!!! I can't believe that, though I am happy as can be! And yet... how many stories do we hear of law-abiding people suddenly using their legally-carried firearms to instigate murderous incidents? Very, very few... self-defense? Yup. Absolutely. Murder? Mayhem? Rare as hens' teeth. It's just how it is. In spite of how uncomfortable it might make some people, the fact is, the majority of people are law-abiding.
crrcboatz, I respect you, and I respect your opinion. I agree that we should do whatever is reasonable to protect our law enforcement officers. But the bottom line is, in this particular instance, the argument you are using has already been used, and it's already been disproved all over this country. In 30 states other than Oklahoma. How much more preponderance of the evidence do we need before it is considered "safe" to restore the rights to Oklahomans that our Founding Fathers enjoyed and hoped to preserve for us? We're not subjects, we're citizens.
Or even a non-tactical thigh holster? Or for that matter the hammer loop on carpenter jeans?
I wear one when I go riding on our hunting lease. Any other time I wear a OWB holster. I just think it is funny that people don't have a good argument other than they look stupid.
