Oklahoma puts more women in prison than any other place on the globe ...40% for Drugs

[MD Froman]

Yea thats kind of the point. The ones who are smuggling, selling, etc ARE the ones locked up. Do you think the cops walk into peoples homes to see if women are doped up all by their lonesome...... NO. They are caught in public doing something stupid or being a nuisance to society in some other fashion.

They just did it in Claremore during a huge warrant sweep. they picked up 54 of the most pathetic, broke and completely ineffectual people I have ever seen and all together they didn't have a full Kilo of dope.

That operation went from November to January involving several agencies from acros NE Oklahoma and they even had a helicopter out on D-Day and these jokers had less dope than an OU frat party!

That operation cost hundreds of thousands of tax payer dollars and put a bunch of Jerry Springer Show rejects in prison AT MY EXPENSE!

I am not safer, it will cost me 2x as much to incarcerate them as it would to keep them in food stamps and section 8 and that damned taxman is still going to bend me over in another month to pay for it.

The war on drugs is a failure, every prohibitionist movement has been a failure except China making Opium possession punishable by public hanging and unless we are ready to do that then we should just throw in the towel and recover BILLIONS in tax payer money.

 

[Shootin 4 Fun]

They just did it in Claremore during a huge warrant sweep. they picked up 54 of the most pathetic, broke and completely ineffectual people I have ever seen and all together they didn't have a full Kilo of dope.

That operation went from November to January involving several agencies from acros NE Oklahoma and they even had a helicopter out on D-Day and these jokers had less dope than an OU frat party!

That operation cost hundreds of thousands of tax payer dollars and put a bunch of Jerry Springer Show rejects in prison AT MY EXPENSE!

I am not safer, it will cost me 2x as much to incarcerate them as it would to keep them in food stamps and section 8 and that damned taxman is still going to bend me over in another month to pay for it.

The war on drugs is a failure, every prohibitionist movement has been a failure except China making Opium possession punishable by public hanging and unless we are ready to do that then we should just throw in the towel and recover BILLIONS in tax payer money.

Maybe not, but there might be a few 13 year olds that will never start using because these idiots are off of the streets. The war on drugs is a failure because it's never been taken seriously by the government....it's all a dog and pony show.

 

[LightningCrash]

Don't break the law and you don't go to jail.

Yet the majority of the people who have committed a felony (ie, you, me, everyone else here), are not in jail. Why is that?

Oklahoma is in the top 10 states for wrongful convictions

25 states are in the top half of the US for wrongful convictions.

 

[MD Froman]

Yet the majority of the people who have committed a felony (ie, you, me, everyone else here), are not in jail. Why is that?

How did you know that I removed the "do not remove" tags from those mattresses?

 

[Shootin 4 Fun]

Yet the majority of the people who have committed a felony (ie, you, me, everyone else here), are not in jail. Why is that?

Sober people have better timing.

 

[J.P.]

J.P. im not gonna argue/discuss for the sake of it, its not worth my time. Nothing against you but I have had enough of this thread already.

That's too bad 'cuz when people throw out statements based on what I believe to be flawed reasoning, I often like to hear the rationale behind them.
Otherwise I am left exclusively with my *own* reasoning and stand little chance of learning anything...


BTW, this:
"Even if a person is addicted it was still a conscious choice at one point and time."
While I believe this to be factual in most cases, I think it is unfair and dangerous to lump the minority in with that group......and it happens all the time.

 

[1shot(bob)]

I cant wait to see how your opinion changes if (God forbid) one of children or a family member gets hit by a cracked out chick behind the wheel.

Still a lifestyle choice or does she become prison worthy.... I think the latter.

Is she prison worthy because she was on drugs or because she killed my children? There is a major difference, you know.

Let's examine this sentence: I cant wait to see how your opinion changes if (God forbid) one of children or a family member gets shot by an irresponsible jackwad with a gun.

Now, do you ban guns because this may happen to you, or because it did happen to someone else?

To me the weapon is irrelevant. The act is what should be punished.

 

[1shot(bob)]

Contrived?.... not at all, it happens every day.

And guns and drugs in this instance are NOT interchangeable.

Guns can be and are used responsibly every day by law abiding citizens. With drugs there is NOTHING responsible about altering your state of mind for personal enjoyment.

Have you ever 'done' drugs?
Smoked pot?
Drank alcohol? How do you feel about alcohol use in general? Is it OK to alter your mind using booze?
How about coffee? Do you drink it regularly?
Caffeinated soft drinks?

Can you cite a single example of it 'happening every day'?

 

[MD Froman]

Is she prison worthy because she was on drugs or because she killed my children? There is a major difference, you know.

Let's examine this sentence: I cant wait to see how your opinion changes if (God forbid) one of children or a family member gets shot by an irresponsible jackwad with a gun.

Now, do you ban guns because this may happen to you, or because it did happen to someone else?

To me the weapon is irrelevant. The act is what should be punished.

In the last year it's been well-to-do women talking and texting on cellphones that are killing people with their cars, not whacked out methlab denizens who count change at the Murphy's for enough gas to get home in their screwed up old cars.

Go up to Woodland Hills Mall and watch the peroxide blondes in their Tahoes with a cellphone glued to their heads almost run people off the road and barely miss pedestrians in the parking lot about every 10-15 minutes.I have dodged these menaces at least 6 times over the last year including one who overshot her turn while looking down at her iphone and came right at me headon! I literally had to go off the road to avoid a headon collision with her Nissan Armada with it's back window covered in Victory Christian and ORU stickers.

If it's really the potential hazard that these misfit doper bums pose to society justifying spending tens of thousands of dollars per conviction to ferret them out and lock them up for decades at OUR expense then we need to see where the real threat lies and treat it with equal severity.

A goofball on a cellphone who causes a fatal accident will get sentenced with vehicular manslaughter could do 25 years in prison. A dope head in his apartment picked up by a dragnet with a fanny pack full of whatever dope he peddles will do 100+ years in prison?

Does anyone see this for what it is? Pederasts, reckless killer drivers and even those accused of elder or child abuse will do less time in prison and have less resources devoted to catching them and are some of the most heinous criminals who ever stole God's oxygen.

See these scumbags?
http://docapp8.doc.state.ok.us/pls/portal30/SORS.SOR_PUBLIC_LIST_DYN.show

For every stupid dopehead in Big Mac who was never proven to have have hurt anyone but themselves I would substitute these skanks on the sex offender registry without a second's pause and our state would be better off for it.

It's just common sense and some people have it and some people don't.

 

[_CY_]

let's see ... according to your reasoning the war on drugs is a failure due to government not being taken seriously.

so let's really get serious by:

1. lets make the prison term harsher yet?
2. the $$$ billions spent must not be enough... let's spend more $$$$ and lock more drug offenders up.
3. all the ten's thousands of man hours spent is not enough... let's put more cops on drugs not armed robbers, muggers and other violent offenders.
4. not enough jails ... lets bring more for profit prisons
5. drugs education $$$ not enough... lets spend more $$$ on just say no to drugs.

think there may be a possibility the war on drugs is a failure due to the fact that it's not winnable. Prohibition against alcohol was a total failure and funded almost unlimited $$$$ to crime syndicates.

after 25+ years of war on drugs.... it's happening all over again.... now we have drug kingpins funded by unlimited billions $$$ drug smuggling syndicates.....

prohibition against drugs doesn't work!!!
the same percentage of drugs addicts are still the same 25+ years and $$$ billions later.

you cannot legislate personal behavior!!!
true addicts will self destruct NO matter what the costs to themselves, kids, family, etc..... NO matter what the prison terms are ... when they get out ... in short order are addicted again. only now the drug offender is a hardened convicted felon... making it that much harder to support themselves.... so they turn back to dealing/using drugs .... getting caught and putting back in prison again.

The war on drugs is a failure because it's never been taken seriously by the government....it's all a dog and pony show.