PTSD and ccl's question

[akgriffin]

I have wanted to get my ccl for protection when travelling with my family. I am a vet with service connected ptsd, do take medication for anxiety. I have 13yrs military time, was cleet certified for DOC at OSP, and armed security cleet certified, but under OK law, i am not able to get a ccl or to even buy a gun. The job i use to have i pissed alot of people off, my wife with her job, an apartment manager has pissed people off, been threatened, attacked and our property stolen or vandelized. Am i reading the reg's wrong about the mental health portion, or am i completly out of luck? If there are any and i mean any questions, i will honestly answer them. I have no record or no history of violence. I just really want to find some answers to my questions. thanks.

 

[HiredHand]

I think you are alright on getting your CWL. Having an anxiety disorder bought on by traumatic events doesn't seem like reason enough to deny a weapons permit but I could be completely wrong. I also happen to know several vets with PTSD diagnosis that also have their CWL. I've never asked them what they wrote down on the application or what documentation they provided.

 

[SMS]

A subject near and dear to my heart: PTSD by itself is not a disqualifier (PTSD scares the sheeple because they don't understand it). The key to PTSD is the underlying symptoms and conditions and the individual's response to them. Some of those conditions/responses could preclude you.

The applicable section in the SDA lawbook is 1290.10: Mandatory Preclusions. "Adjudication" is one key word...meaning you have to have been found incompetent in accordance with mental health law.

On the other hand, Paragraph 7 states: "Currently undergoing treatment for a mental illness, condition, or disorder. For purposes of this paragraph, "currently undergoing treatment for a mental illness, condition, or disorder" means the person has been diagnosed by a licensed physician as being afflicted with a substantial disorder of thought, mood, perception, psychological orientation, or memory that significantly impairs judgment, behavior, capacity to recognize reality, or ability to meet the ordinary demands of life;"

Key in that is "substantial" and "significantly impairs judgement, behaviour, capacity etc....". I don't know if your medication/treatment for anxiety fits that bill.

I would get all your ducks in a row, make sure your medical record is clear, and submit your application. Did you get your CLEET certs before or after your anxiety diagnosis?

 

[inactive]

The other big thing is to make sure you disclose it all on your application. If you omit it, then your changes on that application are shot. I know of people who had diagnosed depression (not the same thing as PTSD, I understand), and took medication for it, but they disclosed it and had no issue getting approved eventually.

I think OSBI may have requested a letter from a physician detailing some things, but I cannot say for sure. I don't want this last part certified as fact yet, but I believe it to be accurate.

 

[akgriffin]

My cleet was before i was diagnosed, and when i was alot angier and really more unstable.

 

[SMS]

Did you lose your CLEET cert because of it? Any restraining orders or anything?

That might cause problems.

 

[akgriffin]

No i just let my cleet stuff expire, and yes there is a restraining order out there, from from 14yrs ago.

 

[SMS]

You stated in your original post that "under OK law, i am not able to get a ccl or to even buy a gun."

Have you actually applied for your permit yet, or tried to buy a firearm in the State of Oklahoma? If you tried to buy a gun, and were rejected what did they reject you for?

I'd venture that if you truly cannot purchase a gun, the reason for that led to that denial would be enough to deny you a SDA permit as well.

 

[akgriffin]

No i havent tried to buy a gun, but i have read the requirements on getting ccl. If i am right, there is a question on buying a pistol, that asks about mental health the last time i bought a pistol in 1991.

 

[okie362]

Not sure of your exact situation but you can call OSBI and discuss it with them. Had a guy here locally that has a similar issue with PTSD, he called and OSBI told him it wouldn't be an issue.

Pay particular attention to the terms "adjudicated" and "involuntarily committed to a mental institution".

Either way, a phone call could clear it all up for you if you share the details with them.