The best handgun trainer in the world, literally, is right here in Tulsa. Mike Seekander. If you haven’t trained with him, you are missing out. Why spend the money traveling to Gunsite which teaches outdated techniques?
Agreed; this is an important skill to have and not just shooting while moving to cover. One thing worth pointing out is that when the GG moves it forces the BG to react to him. With his original plans screwed up, he is forced to come up with something new on the spur of the moment. I've also heard it described as breaking the BG's OODA loop.Shooting while moving to cover is critical, and probably to some extent instinctual too. High cap mags are not a factor with almost all pocket or purse guns. I'm not arguing, simply saying that I don't think a static range hurts a person's from a defensive skills point of view. But of course, I would prefer an outdoor range without some of the rules almost all indoor ranges have to as well.
In my mind, one skill everyone really needs is how to execute a seemingly simple reload under stress; and maybe even more so, when to reload. Factor in the pucker factor when rounds start flying. How to respond to that is very hard to teach, as well as to learn.
We run scenarios using live fire on our personal range while driving cars.
Do room clearing with partners and shoot reactive targets with frangible ammo at ranges under 10 yards. Stuff you will never get to do at a basic pay to shoot range.
I have several thoughts on this thread that I’ll post a bit later today. I’ve been watching it since it started. I see many good parts to run with. But I thought I would start here since you placed some emphasis on it.
So my question to start a bit of dialogue on it.
What do you think are the chances that you would need to preform a reload during a civilian self-defense event?
Mike Seeklander sounds like what I want. He's fairly close, and the courses I'd be interested in are one-day. Thanks; I'll give him some thought.The best handgun trainer in the world, literally, is right here in Tulsa. Mike Seekander. If you haven’t trained with him, you are missing out. Why spend the money traveling to Gunsite which teaches outdated techniques?
Joel, I completely agree with you here. The need for a speed reload would really be unusual for civilians, but I sill practice them. I supose that I'd rather know how than not.I had sort of hoped someone would jump on this, so here's my thoughts on it: Specifically, the chances that one would need to preform a reload during a civilian self-defense is based on this.
Let's suppose, for the sake of discussion, that you had to fire your weapon in order to defend yourself as you were getting back in your car at the local Convenience Store. However, the Bad Guy made a grave error in judgement and not only pointed a weapon at you, but told you he was going to kill you as well. You quickly realize that the SHTF and made the decision to shoot, and fortunately, you were able to draw and fire in order to stop the threat, and you fired 3 (or was it 4?) rounds from your single-stack handgun or your 5-shot revolver. The Bad Guy drops, you kick his weapon aside, and yell for someone to call 911. Your adrenaline is up, heart is racing, blood pressure is through the roof! Do you re-holster at this point? Keep him covered while waiting on the Police? Administer first-aid? Then something tells you that he might not be alone...and there you are, behind cover of some kind hopefully, with one in the chamber and a few rounds left in your magazine (or cylinder). I don't know about you, or anyone else, but I'm gonna drop the partially expended magazine and slam in a fresh one ASAP. (or execute a speed strip reload). I'll keep the partially loaded mag near me, if I can, as the situation either stabilizes and the Police get there, or if I have to engage the Bad Guy's accomplice, who in a fit of rage has now jumped from the driver's seat of his car and is running towards me, maybe firing as he charges me, screaming how I just shot his brother.
The chances of this happening are really very slim, about as much as me having to shoot someone when I go to the store for my wife here in a minute, but I damn sure will have a speed strip in my pocket when I go, and If I do have to use my gun, I will execute a reload as soon as I feel I can, given the situation.
Joel, I completely agree with you here. The need for a speed reload would really be unusual for civilians, but I sill practice them. I supose that I'd rather know how than not.
After I am assured of my 610's reliability, I'll start carrying it, and I will also carry two or more moon clips with the same ammo as that in the gun. If I have to use it, I'll call 9-1-1, reload and then re-holster.
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