SQ 766 - Ban Taxation on Intangible Assets - Poll

[hard_r]

with all due respect, you could not be more misinformed. i served as a school board member for 5 years. the rules are already in place on how the dollars are spent. in fact, they are already heavily regulated. your remark about the board wanting teachers to "scrape by" is preposterous. the fact you elude to school board members being paid shows a basic lack of understanding of the whole structure. have you ever sat through a board meeting?

This guy knows what's up.

 

[CHenry]

Hard_r
I never said the admins make too much money did I? Let me help, the answer is no.
How many total students pre K- 12 are in this state? Just around 626,000 with 603 districts? Considering 70% of those are rural schools I would venture to say there are several admins with less than 150 kids under their direction. Lets take McCurtain Co. for example. 14 districts! And an average student to teacher ratio of 11. Tell me they aren't hiring and creating jobs on the good ol boy system. And if you think that's an isolated incidence, your sadly mistaken.
LeFlore co is even worse.

 

[hard_r]

Hard_r
I never said the admins make too much money did I? Let me help, the answer is no.
How many total students pre K- 12 are in this state? Just around 626,000 with 603 districts? Considering 70% of those are rural schools I would venture to say there are several admins with less than 150 kids under their direction. Lets take McCurtain Co. for example. 14 districts! And an average student to teacher ratio of 11. Tell me they aren't hiring and creating jobs on the good ol boy system. And if you think that's an isolated incidence, your sadly mistaken.
LeFlore co is even worse.

Those small schools run on some of the tightest budgets. If they have fewer kids, they receive less funding. They do not create jobs. They hire for the positions needed. And more frequently, they are going without some support staff. Small rural schools are doing without janitors, librarians, full time counselors, secretaries, substitutes, etc. Teachers and administrators are doing more that what is laid out in their job descriptions. Add state budget cuts over the last few years. Many schools RIF'd teaching positions due to these budget cuts. Teaching positions are not just created. If there is an 11:1 student teacher ratio, I would be willing to bet there is only one teacher per subject at a school that small. Someone has to administrate those schools. And small school Superintendents do not get paid even close to what the big school supts get. So your solution is to have one guy administrate multiple schools where he does not see/interact with the principals, teachers, coaches, staff, and students on a daily basis? How is he supposed to make decisions for all these places? Do you know how many important decisions are made by a superintendent in a day? And that is just in regards to ONE school. I'm curious to know how much experience you have in education or living with/talking everyday to someone who does? People who don't know how things work think they have all the answers. Money isn't the problem. Schools are functioning just fine on tight budgets. As a future teacher, higher pay would be nice, sure. But will it have any effect on my teaching? No.

 

[CHenry]

Those small schools run on some of the tightest budgets. If they have fewer kids, they receive less funding. They do not create jobs. They hire for the positions needed. And more frequently, they are going without some support staff. Small rural schools are doing without janitors, librarians, full time counselors, secretaries, substitutes, etc. Teachers and administrators are doing more that what is laid out in their job descriptions. Add state budget cuts over the last few years. Many schools RIF'd teaching positions due to these budget cuts. Teaching positions are not just created. If there is an 11:1 student teacher ratio, I would be willing to bet there is only one teacher per subject at a school that small. Someone has to administrate those schools. And small school Superintendents do not get paid even close to what the big school supts get. So your solution is to have one guy administrate multiple schools where he does not see/interact with the principals, teachers, coaches, staff, and students on a daily basis? How is he supposed to make decisions for all these places? Do you know how many important decisions are made by a superintendent in a day? And that is just in regards to ONE school. I'm curious to know how much experience you have in education or living with/talking everyday to someone who does? People who don't know how things work think they have all the answers. Money isn't the problem. Schools are functioning just fine on tight budgets. As a future teacher, higher pay would be nice, sure. But will it have any effect on my teaching? No.

I get my inside info just like that, from the inside. LMAO... Yeah Gene Stipe NEVER created a few new districts and multiple administrative position for friends/family members.
your going to get a real education one day when you become part of the corruption depending on where you teach that is, I believe it to be mostely in the rural counties.

 

[inactive]

But because of tenure, teachers know that they don't have to.

So what are your thoughts on things like this:

http://www.dukechronicle.com/article/nc-senate-considers-teacher-tenure-cut

The latest version of the bill would place all teachers on one-year contracts-renewable based on performance and evaluations-for the 2012-2013 school year... Teachers would work on one-year contracts until they have worked for three or more years, when they will become eligible for one to four-year contracts with the local school board.

The bill also charges each local education board with developing a system of merit pay for teachers, which would reward high-performing teachers with annual bonuses and salary raises. ... annual contracts with yearly renewal based on teacher performance.

I know the DC system tried to implement this, and the teachers rejected it flatly though most would have seen a (I think) 50% or more pay raise if they were just at acceptable levels of performance.

I tend to like the idea of trimming away tenure, in principle.

 

[hard_r]

I get my inside info just like that, from the inside. LMAO... Yeah Gene Stipe NEVER created a few new districts and multiple administrative position for friends/family members.
your going to get a real education one day when you become part of the corruption depending on where you teach that is, I believe it to be mostely in the rural counties.

Yeah, I'm going to go ahead and trust the guy with a Master's in Education Administration with 25+ years experience in dealing with the laws regarding education over a guy who thinks he knows how things work because he heard some things. No offense. I'm sure you're a real nice guy and all, but I think my source and his degree and experience is a bit more reliable than your "beliefs". I don't see this going anywhere, so I will end with the stating that I don't take anyone who isn't involved in education seriously when they talk about education. Because they just don't know. Say, how about that State Question 766 huh? I think we started talking about that a long time ago, before everyone decided they were experts in matters they are not involved in.

 

[hard_r]

So what are your thoughts on things like this:

http://www.dukechronicle.com/article/nc-senate-considers-teacher-tenure-cut



I know the DC system tried to implement this, and the teachers rejected it flatly though most would have seen a (I think) 50% or more pay raise if they were just at acceptable levels of performance.

I tend to like the idea of trimming away tenure, in principle.

I'm fine with it. Would keep teachers on the ball. They wouldn't get lazy and stop trying to innovate and adapt to different technologies and teaching styles. Teachers oppose it because it means they don't have a guaranteed job. I know I will do my best all the time, so I won't have to worry about it.

 

[TwoForFlinching]

with all due respect, you could not be more misinformed. i served as a school board member for 5 years. the rules are already in place on how the dollars are spent. in fact, they are already heavily regulated. your remark about the board wanting teachers to "scrape by" is preposterous. the fact you elude to school board members being paid shows a basic lack of understanding of the whole structure. have you ever sat through a board meeting?

I guess I deserve that. I've been sitting at the bar listening to the incumbent representative talk about this. I never looked into it, just took his word for it. It was his defense when I called him a chicken **** for allowing this to be a public vote.

It is the teachers job to teach, but it is the students job to learn. If a students fails, he/she earned it. It's ridiculous to blame a teacher for a students failure if the rest of the class passes.

 

[hard_r]

It is the teachers job to teach, but it is the students job to learn. If a students fails, he/she earned it. It's ridiculous to blame a teacher for a students failure if the rest of the class passes.

I agree wholeheartedly.

 

[VIKING]

I thought the lottery was gonna fix all our money woes in education. I'm pretty sure that's what Gov. Geegollywhiz Brad said ...

Yes BB, that's exactly what Governor Howdy Doody said.........I wish we could vote on it one more time.....I'd take my vote back if I could.