The number of children killed in the next school shooting may be much higher

[Billybob]

"Mental" people should not have firearms. I agree with that. I think we all agree with that. How do we go about stopping the Loughners without some sort of suitability test for purchases, or is that a reasonable solution? Even if we did have a test it wont stop the Lanzas of the world killing some body and taking their guns.

Define "mental" people. And if that definition is based on "diagnosed" or "on meds" how do we deal with the reported 110,000 active duty troops on meds? And what about others in our society? If someone is unfit to own a gun do you want them being a daycare worker, teacher, etc.?

Prescribed drugs 'to blame over spate of violence among US soldiers'

More than 110,000 Army personnel were given antidepressants, narcotics, sedatives, antipsychotics and anti-anxiety drugs while on duty last year, according to new figures by the US Army Surgeon General.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...over-spate-of-violence-among-US-soldiers.html

 

[reddog1]

The government is going take your guns, and kill you all.

They are already killing you.

You are already dead.

 

[DA 20]

I believe Israel has a solution to the problem. http://imgur.com/gallery/Ts1So

 

[RyanSixer]

Should teachers be armed? At least two states (Utah and New Hampshire) now authorize concealed-carry permits in schools, according to Grossman, and the Federal Safe Schools Act allows for it. Faculty with military experience and a willingness to receive additional training could be a starting point.

That's from the "Killology" DA 20 linked to. Is that true? Could a state law provide for teacher's carrying? I think someone should start a new bill...

 

[cjjtulsa]

Define "mental" people. And if that definition is based on "diagnosed" or "on meds" how do we deal with the reported 110,000 active duty troops on meds? And what about others in our society? If someone is unfit to own a gun do you want them being a daycare worker, teacher, etc.?

Prescribed drugs 'to blame over spate of violence among US soldiers'

More than 110,000 Army personnel were given antidepressants, narcotics, sedatives, antipsychotics and anti-anxiety drugs while on duty last year, according to new figures by the US Army Surgeon General.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...over-spate-of-violence-among-US-soldiers.html

And you bring up a good point. A guy I work with is a vet from the sandbox, and has some PTSD. He also has a CCW, and we were discussing the shooting a little Friday afternoon. He said no one should be able to buy a gun without a backround check or CCW permit - even in person-to-person transactions. So what about those that might think a recent war vet with PTSD shouldn't have a concealed carry license and be carrying a firearm? Where do you draw the line, and what criteria do you use? As for the idea that "crazy people shouldn't be able to buy them".....define crazy? I'm sure many shootings are carried out by people that others around them had no idea they were going to spaz out and shoot someone.

 

[mightymouse]

You are already dead.

Well, I 'll admit to being a little low, but that's because I happened to be in a cafe on Friday that had the news from Conn. on. But "dead"--nah, I'm not dead. Yet.

 

[uncle money bags]

Define "mental" people. And if that definition is based on "diagnosed" or "on meds" how do we deal with the reported 110,000 active duty troops on meds? And what about others in our society? If someone is unfit to own a gun do you want them being a daycare worker, teacher, etc.?

Prescribed drugs 'to blame over spate of violence among US soldiers'

More than 110,000 Army personnel were given antidepressants, narcotics, sedatives, antipsychotics and anti-anxiety drugs while on duty last year, according to new figures by the US Army Surgeon General.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...over-spate-of-violence-among-US-soldiers.html

My definition of "mental" as it pertains to this conversation is some body who is adjudicated insane.

Take note that my statement is in bold so that there is no confusion as to where I stand, especially with regard to my brothers.

 

[Billybob]

The Colorado shooter told his shrink he wanted to kill people but was not reported.

 

[Billybob]

Where do you draw the line, and what criteria do you use? As for the idea that "crazy people shouldn't be able to buy them".....define crazy?

Exactly, the conversation nobody wants to have.

 

[Billybob]

My definition of "mental" as it pertains to this conversation is some body who is adjudicated insane.

That is the standard of law at this time to restrict gun ownership. Several of the recent shooters were certainly what many would call "mental" but they had never been adjudicated.