Trump Launches New Platform to Communicate With Followers

[dennishoddy]

Well...have fun with your premium and copay then. Or free market into a job with coverage...since maybe that's your preferred coverage option.

Don't be talking job or work to me. Work is a four letter word to a retired guy.
The premium and copay are part of the obummer care system forced on my wife. Why would she have fun with forced payments?
One of your comments was that the old system would bankrupt you. How is this system any different? Your forced to pay or be bankrupted with a medical emergency.

 

[Rez Exelon]

Well...your options are:
1. Get a job to have coverage.
2. Pay the ACA rates.
3. Give up coverage (remember there no individual mandate now after all. One reason young people aren't in the marketplace to keep it cheap but I digress)
4. Start hoping that the US goes down the road of nationalized health care like basically every other developed country in the world.

Your pick amigo.

Oh...wait. almost forgot....
5. Hope Trump finally releases his super awesome mega (maga) yuge best ever healthcare plan on his blog and that it somehow gets into law even while he's out of office and goo doesn't hold either house.

 

[dennishoddy]

Trump did away with the individual mandate thank God.
Nationalized health care is a disaster in the making. Sounds good in theory but not in practice.
Make a note of all the political leaders of foreign countries that have came to the US for specialized health care including Great Britain and Canada. Why didn't they stay in their own medical systems if they are so great?
As I've traveled the world in work and pleasure I've encountered many people that have experienced nationalized health care. Incredible wait times, and poor care. Yes, everyone can get a heart transplant, but you don't get the decision on who will do it or when. The government decides that. If your too old, you die. Death panels ran by government officials just like Sara Palin described.
Some of the folks I've talked to while in Italy said that only the poor have government health care. The wealthy have private doctors and great health care. Poor need not apply.
Nope, never gonna be an advocate of universal health care.

 

[Rez Exelon]

Trump did away with the individual mandate thank God.
Nationalized health care is a disaster in the making. Sounds good in theory but not in practice.
Make a note of all the political leaders of foreign countries that have came to the US for specialized health care including Great Britain and Canada. Why didn't they stay in their own medical systems if they are so great?
As I've traveled the world in work and pleasure I've encountered many people that have experienced nationalized health care. Incredible wait times, and poor care. Yes, everyone can get a heart transplant, but you don't get the decision on who will do it or when. The government decides that. If your too old, you die. Death panels ran by government officials just like Sara Palin described.
Some of the folks I've talked to while in Italy said that only the poor have government health care. The wealthy have private doctors and great health care. Poor need not apply.
Nope, never gonna be an advocate of universal health care.

Odd. President Donald J Trump was taken care of wonderfully under a US National health care plan. Access to experimental treatments and everything. That care not good enough for you Dennis Hoddy? You're better than the care Donald J Trump received?

I've traveled extensively too, and my experience talking with people is the opposite of yours it seems. People scorn our system. There can be wait times for elective care, but guess what, that happens here too. "Death Panels". That's a go-to I know....but were that real, that's not all that different than DJT deciding the "China-Flu" wasn't real and his inaction leading to hundreds of thousands of death. So again, are you saying you're better than the Dear Leaders plan? Wealthy people have private doctors? You mean just like here??? Guess you need to be wealthy then. It's good for lots of things.

 

[dennishoddy]

Odd. President Donald J Trump was taken care of wonderfully under a US National health care plan. Access to experimental treatments and everything. That care not good enough for you Dennis Hoddy? You're better than the care Donald J Trump received?

I've traveled extensively too, and my experience talking with people is the opposite of yours it seems. People scorn our system. There can be wait times for elective care, but guess what, that happens here too. "Death Panels". That's a go-to I know....but were that real, that's not all that different than DJT deciding the "China-Flu" wasn't real and his inaction leading to hundreds of thousands of death. So again, are you saying you're better than the Dear Leaders plan? Wealthy people have private doctors? You mean just like here??? Guess you need to be wealthy then. It's good for lots of things.

Odd that everybody in government does not rely on obummercare for their healthcare? They have their own premium plan. I worked for the government at one time. Didn't even have to pay into SS as the government retirement system was much better.
It's obvious the folks you talked to in foreign nations must have been the elite with personal health care.

In fact, countries with "universal" health care routinely ration care to their citizens to save money. An article in the British newspaper The Guardian noted in 2015 that "Patients are being denied mental health care, new hips and knees, and drugs to boost their recovery from illnesses including cancer as the NHS increasingly rations treatments to try to overcome its growing cash crisis."
Can we agree to call this a death panel?

Patients in countries like the UK and Canada also suffer chronic delays in getting treatment.
You say they scorn our medical care. obummer care has been in place for over 10 years! I agree, I scorn it as well.

Tens of thousands of Canadians come to the United States to get care they can't get from their own "guaranteed" health care system. In 2016, 63,459 Canadians did so, according to the Canadian-based Fraser Institute.

Patients in the UK are increasingly spending money out of pocket to "jump the queue" or get care the National Health Service won't provide.
Just like I said. The wealthy can jump and get their own health care.

In short, just saying that a country "guarantees" health care as a right doesn't make it so.
I included links so you can read and weep.
Would you wish the same for your president, brain dead biden to not get the best care as the most powerful person in office? It's obvious you only wish harm on Trump or you would have championed his medical care because it opened up new care for covid patients.
Wasn't it amazing that when your socialist media discovered that Trump was advocating Hydroxychloroquine they jumped all over it as a deadly treatment potentially causing death when its been successfully used since the 40's and is one of the safest drugs ever produced?
I won't waste my time to post them, but we have links on this forum from others in the socialist government medical field stating the drug is dangerous, and as soon as Trump was cheated out of office, the very same person came out with a new report saying it was a possible great alternative drug to use against your communist buddies in china flu.
I love it when you libs say President Trump denied the wuhan flu. He was acting on the advice of your hero fauchi. A month after Trump put on a travel ban of anybody not a US citizen from China. Brain dead joe said travel bans don't work and fauchi was still saying masks don't work to prevent the spread.
You can keep spouting your cnn and msnbc propaganda but it doesn't make it true now and it didn't make it true back then.
Some of us on this board keep up with the facts and timelines.
Continue down this rabbit hole your in, and I'll keep presenting the facts.

 

[Rez Exelon]

Odd that everybody in government does not rely on obummercare for their healthcare? They have their own premium plan. I worked for the government at one time. Didn't even have to pay into SS as the government retirement system was much better.
It's obvious the folks you talked to in foreign nations must have been the elite with personal health care.

In fact, countries with "universal" health care routinely ration care to their citizens to save money. An article in the British newspaper The Guardian noted in 2015 that "Patients are being denied mental health care, new hips and knees, and drugs to boost their recovery from illnesses including cancer as the NHS increasingly rations treatments to try to overcome its growing cash crisis."
Can we agree to call this a death panel?

Patients in countries like the UK and Canada also suffer chronic delays in getting treatment.
You say they scorn our medical care. obummer care has been in place for over 10 years! I agree, I scorn it as well.

Tens of thousands of Canadians come to the United States to get care they can't get from their own "guaranteed" health care system. In 2016, 63,459 Canadians did so, according to the Canadian-based Fraser Institute.

Patients in the UK are increasingly spending money out of pocket to "jump the queue" or get care the National Health Service won't provide.
Just like I said. The wealthy can jump and get their own health care.

In short, just saying that a country "guarantees" health care as a right doesn't make it so.
I included links so you can read and weep.
Would you wish the same for your president, brain dead biden to not get the best care as the most powerful person in office? It's obvious you only wish harm on Trump or you would have championed his medical care because it opened up new care for covid patients.
Wasn't it amazing that when your socialist media discovered that Trump was advocating Hydroxychloroquine they jumped all over it as a deadly treatment potentially causing death when its been successfully used since the 40's and is one of the safest drugs ever produced?
I won't waste my time to post them, but we have links on this forum from others in the socialist government medical field stating the drug is dangerous, and as soon as Trump was cheated out of office, the very same person came out with a new report saying it was a possible great alternative drug to use against your communist buddies in china flu.
I love it when you libs say President Trump denied the wuhan flu. He was acting on the advice of your hero fauchi. A month after Trump put on a travel ban of anybody not a US citizen from China. Brain dead joe said travel bans don't work and fauchi was still saying masks don't work to prevent the spread.
You can keep spouting your cnn and msnbc propaganda but it doesn't make it true now and it didn't make it true back then.
Some of us on this board keep up with the facts and timelines.
Continue down this rabbit hole your in, and I'll keep presenting the facts.

You're adorable when you're worked up Dennis Hoddy. Especially when you get into formatting text. That's what makes you so fun.

What's funny is, the end goal would be that we all wind up with the premium plan. Bring the level of service up so that everyone can get the same level of care. This being said to address your first point as well as the "would you with the same" point. I think everyone should have access to the same quality level of care that Biden, Trump, or any of the other former POTUS club has. The same as the Senators and House members have. We are (not sure if you noticed this before) America. We claim we're the best at everything. Why not be best at healthcare rather than blowing up people in other countries? We 100% have the resources and capabilities, IF WE WANTED, to make the best care in the world available for everyone. We just seem fixed on paying off layers of middle men.

Is the Canadian system perfect? The British system perfect? No? Well, then lets be all American and do the most American thing and show them up by perfecting them maybe? The funny thing about those articles is that after reading them, it kind of smacks that the people coming from Canada, or the people going to private doctors are not the poor. The poor don't really have resources for international travel for non life threatening surgeries usually. Unless I'm missing something. Same thing in the NHS --- you don't drop hundreds of pounds unless you have it laying around for something non life-threatening. So all of those articles seem to lack context on class.

Meanwhile, should you want to call out death panels, I suppose I'd love to hear your take on what the insurance companies can do. Denying life saving drugs here in America. Denying treatments here in America. LOVE dishing out opiates though. I've spent hours and hours of my life I'll never get back fighting to get my "pre approved" treatments paid out over the years. Fighting to get the scripts doctors have written. I've never had to fight for life saving medication yet, but I've seen plenty of stories from folks that have. Because the insurance companies ARE the death panels here with the power to decide yes or no to treatments. I mean, or people could payout their life savings to cover the denied treatments until they die, which statistically speaking, is a pretty short time span for most folks.

And please, should you want to keep this lovely conversation going, have the basic courtesy to not purposefully misstate my beliefs for your embellishment. For example saying I "wish harm on Trump". No, I think it's great he got care. I just want everyone else to get the same. I want Biden to get the same too for that matter. Also "my cnn and msnbc". No, I don't watch either of those. "Read and weep" buddy, as much fun as we've had together especially the last few months, you'll never be important enough to make me weep. Stoke your own ego should you want, but don't put your beliefs about me and my thinking out there when they're not accurate.

 

[dennishoddy]

HAHA! You didn't have the time to read the articles I posted with links and make your reply so we now know how it goes.
I posted facts, you post wannabe's and should a be's. Carry on.
We don't have a perfect system. No other country does either including communist china. The US government pays out more per capita than china does in government healthcare.
You dismiss the fact that during obummers term, massive numbers of Canadians came to the US for healthcare because Canada's sucks and Great Britain has death panels. Proven with links.
Another common misperception is that in other countries, their governments cover the cost of health care, with everyone covered under a national "universal" health plan.
The fact is that every country — even communist China — relies on a mix of public and private payers, as well as out-of-pocket spending, to cover the cost of care. There are, of course, differences in the share covered by these entities. But no country relies 100% on government to pay for health care.
Take Canada, for example, which is often cited by health care reform advocates as a model of government-run health care. There, the government actually only pays 69% of the nation's health costs. Canadians pay 15.4% of the costs out of pocket, and private insurance covers 12.4%.
Again, more facts, not conjecture or speculation.

 

[Rez Exelon]

HAHA! You didn't have the time to read the articles I posted with links and make your reply so we now know how it goes.
I posted facts, you post wannabe's and should a be's. Carry on.
We don't have a perfect system. No other country does either including communist china. The US government pays out more per capita than china does in government healthcare.
You dismiss the fact that during obummers term, massive numbers of Canadians came to the US for healthcare because Canada's sucks and Great Britain has death panels. Proven with links.
Another common misperception is that in other countries, their governments cover the cost of health care, with everyone covered under a national "universal" health plan.
The fact is that every country — even communist China — relies on a mix of public and private payers, as well as out-of-pocket spending, to cover the cost of care. There are, of course, differences in the share covered by these entities. But no country relies 100% on government to pay for health care.
Take Canada, for example, which is often cited by health care reform advocates as a model of government-run health care. There, the government actually only pays 69% of the nation's health costs. Canadians pay 15.4% of the costs out of pocket, and private insurance covers 12.4%.
Again, more facts, not conjecture or speculation.

Listen, buddy, if you read at a snails pace, that doesn't mean the rest of the world does that with you. Or maybe you're projecting because you don't read what other people send --- I'm not sure honestly. Either way, take your unproven BS claims about me and shove em. That's as disingenuous as somehow gaslighting "communist china' in there when that was never a topic. Or as crap as trying to use payout level as an indicator of quality (For example, I can go to a fancy steakhouse and drop a G on a fancy piece of meat, or make it myself for a few bucks --- either way I've got the same thing but in one case I paid out more. It's a crap metric).

And every country. EVERY. Let me repeat since you seem hard of reading today E-V-E-R-Y country relies on 100% private payers. Because the governments get their money from --- private payers! The people if you will. But again, some people would rather their money be spent wisely on their needs that government BS. Heck, that used to be a GOP platform thing --- you know, small government, good value. So yeah, if we were to look at your crap metric of "more per capita" than we darn sure better be getting more return on it. But. We. Don't. So again, let's American #1 #1 #1 our way to a good system. What's so nuts about that? Sure would save you some money each month from what you've mentioned.

 

[Seadog]

There is no competition. There is only one payer in the state of Oklahoma.
obamacare drove the competition out of the markets.
Since obummercare, young people have not got into the market. They can't afford it and feel they don't need it.

And thanks to Obama care a lot of them are still on mommy and daddy‘s plans because they’re eligible all the way up to the age of 26

 

[Seadog]

HAHA! You didn't have the time to read the articles I posted with links and make your reply so we now know how it goes.
I posted facts, you post wannabe's and should a be's. Carry on.
We don't have a perfect system. No other country does either including communist china. The US government pays out more per capita than china does in government healthcare.
You dismiss the fact that during obummers term, massive numbers of Canadians came to the US for healthcare because Canada's sucks and Great Britain has death panels. Proven with links.
Another common misperception is that in other countries, their governments cover the cost of health care, with everyone covered under a national "universal" health plan.
The fact is that every country — even communist China — relies on a mix of public and private payers, as well as out-of-pocket spending, to cover the cost of care. There are, of course, differences in the share covered by these entities. But no country relies 100% on government to pay for health care.
Take Canada, for example, which is often cited by health care reform advocates as a model of government-run health care. There, the government actually only pays 69% of the nation's health costs. Canadians pay 15.4% of the costs out of pocket, and private insurance covers 12.4%.
Again, more facts, not conjecture or speculation.

There is a mark twain quote that I like. It goes something like this, do not debate with idiots as they will beat you down with their stupidity. I agree 100% with you my fellow OSA friend. There are some hard-core progressive socialists on this form who have their eyes wide shut and no amount of logic will help them.

A socialist or communist goal is for the government to be in full control of healthcare. Once they have that they will be in full control of the population and that is the ultimate goal of the communists. Too many sheep being herded up for the slaughter trying to round the rest of us up with them.