What is $572,000,000 Times 2,009?

[rawhide]

I disagree a bit. What it takes is money. T. Boone Pickens money. Aubrey McClendon money. Sheldon Adelson money. Koch brothers money. George Soros money. And on and on and on...It's sickening how these pols will sell out the American people for a few more dollars in their campaign coffers. I'd say if you want to make a difference, campaign for an anti-establishment candidate. Unfortunately even that can go wrong. Mullin was supposed to be just such a person, but DC has obviously corrupted him, or at least softened him up. I expect as much from Cole, Lucas and Lankford. They're pretty solid RINO's. You never know with Inhofe, but he'll usually vote with the money. Mullin should've stood with Bridenstine though. I am sorely disappointed in him.

Like Ross Perot money? I don't disagree with you but that money would have to back candidates that are not the establishment. Bridenstein seems to be able to buck the establishment. The next POTUS election looks to me to be critical. If the GOP fails to win the presidency next year the effects may be beyond repair in my lifetime. If the Republicans in federal office are too gutless to do what the electorate obviously sent them there to, what will another term with a Democrat in the White House do for us. Give them someone they don't have to pretend to fight and maybe we can catch our breath and begin to make real changes. Otherwise, the game is likely to be truly lost for this and the next generation.As much as voting for the lesser of the evils offends the thinking, informed voter, it is what it is and what we have to work with now. The stakes are too high to 1) not get involved and help facilitate the changes in the long term and 2) get behind A candidate that can win in the short term.What will executive regulatory policy look like? Who will appoint the next Supreme Court justices? There will be appointments in the next term. Foreign policy -- will Hillary reverse the disaster that she helped create? Next election vote out the bums in Congress and make sure they know why. For president there will only be one choice -- I hope it is least of the evils.

 

[rawhide]

I swear the above post had paragraphs. Tried to edit but that didn't work so put the paragraph breaks where they work best for you.

 

[Glocktogo]

Like Ross Perot money? I don't disagree with you but that money would have to back candidates that are not the establishment. Bridenstein seems to be able to buck the establishment. The next POTUS election looks to me to be critical. If the GOP fails to win the presidency next year the effects may be beyond repair in my lifetime. If the Republicans in federal office are too gutless to do what the electorate obviously sent them there to, what will another term with a Democrat in the White House do for us. Give them someone they don't have to pretend to fight and maybe we can catch our breath and begin to make real changes. Otherwise, the game is likely to be truly lost for this and the next generation.As much as voting for the lesser of the evils offends the thinking, informed voter, it is what it is and what we have to work with now. The stakes are too high to 1) not get involved and help facilitate the changes in the long term and 2) get behind A candidate that can win in the short term.What will executive regulatory policy look like? Who will appoint the next Supreme Court justices? There will be appointments in the next term. Foreign policy -- will Hillary reverse the disaster that she helped create? Next election vote out the bums in Congress and make sure they know why. For president there will only be one choice -- I hope it is least of the evils.

The RNC has only themselves to blame for this conundrum. They've spent decades stacking the deck with Dem-Lites and now they're getting punched in the face by their own voters. They're unable to respond effectively because they can't even conceptualize this rejection of their platform.

They are flat out desperate to get Jeb Bush, Marco Rubio or Chris Christie as their candidate. The GOP voters aren't going to have it. So it isn't "up to us" to prevent Hillary from winning, it's up to them. They're going to have to abandon their appeasement platform to do it. Paul Ryan hammered the final in that coffin last week. We've put up with this crap for decades and if it takes a complete breakdown of the system to force the change, so be it.

I will not ever vote for Bush, Rubio or Christie. Nope, nope nope!!!

 

[rawhide]

The RNC has only themselves to blame for this conundrum. They've spent decades stacking the deck with Dem-Lites and now they're getting punched in the face by their own voters. They're unable to respond effectively because they can't even conceptualize this rejection of their platform. They are flat out desperate to get Jeb Bush, Marco Rubio or Chris Christie as their candidate. The GOP voters aren't going to have it. So it isn't "up to us" to prevent Hillary from winning, it's up to them. They're going to have to abandon their appeasement platform to do it. Paul Ryan hammered the final in that coffin last week. We've put up with this crap for decades and if it takes a complete breakdown of the system to force the change, so be it.I will not ever vote for Bush, Rubio or Christie. Nope, nope nope!!!

I agree completely with your assessment of the problem just not so much the solution. What is your perception of what a complete breakdown of the system would look like and how would it lead to change? And by change, I mean restoring our Constitutional republic. As I've stated before I would rather focus on influencing the change that I can affect, local and state.

 

[Glocktogo]

I agree completely with your assessment of the problem just not so much the solution. What is your perception of what a complete breakdown of the system would look like and how would it lead to change? And by change, I mean restoring our Constitutional republic. As I've stated before I would rather focus on influencing the change that I can affect, local and state.

It's pretty tough to do at the local & state level in Oklahoma. Too many confuse religious zealotry with conservatism. They aren't even remotely the same thing, yet most of the Oklahoma "conservatives" are really just statists who talk about God and church a lot.

On the national level? We have to stop letting the GOP insulate the Dems from the repercussions of their bad choices. Look at what Ryan just did in Congress. He knew he couldn't get the true conservatives like Bridenstine to vote for his liberal Omnibus bill, so he gave the Dems even MORE of what they wanted so it would pass.

That tells you how much the GOP "leadership" loathes the conservatives within their own party. Until we get rid of the Ryans and McConnells and Bushes of the GOP, they will continue to fracture and destroy it. So the last thing I'm willing to do is give one of them my vote! Simply put, they can change with the times or get run over.

I'd rather paint them as the reason Hillary won and get rid of more of them in the mid terms, than let them hand the House & Senate back over to the Dems while they sell us down the drain to special interests.

The pending SCOTUS appointments should scare them into surrender, but they're not going to use that against me and MANY GOP voters like me. If they want a GOP POTUS making those selections, then they'd better make peace with Cruz or Trump. They WILL NOT win the general election with one of their RINOs bearing the GOP standard.

 

[rawhide]

Again, I mostly agree with you. Maybe calling their bluff will work but in the interim I will play the cards I have rather than the ones I wished I had.

 

[Shadowrider]

It's pretty tough to do at the local & state level in Oklahoma. Too many confuse religious zealotry with conservatism. They aren't even remotely the same thing, yet most of the Oklahoma "conservatives" are really just statists who talk about God and church a lot.

On the national level? We have to stop letting the GOP insulate the Dems from the repercussions of their bad choices. Look at what Ryan just did in Congress. He knew he couldn't get the true conservatives like Bridenstine to vote for his liberal Omnibus bill, so he gave the Dems even MORE of what they wanted so it would pass.

That tells you how much the GOP "leadership" loathes the conservatives within their own party. Until we get rid of the Ryans and McConnells and Bushes of the GOP, they will continue to fracture and destroy it. So the last thing I'm willing to do is give one of them my vote! Simply put, they can change with the times or get run over.

I'd rather paint them as the reason Hillary won and get rid of more of them in the mid terms, than let them hand the House & Senate back over to the Dems while they sell us down the drain to special interests.

The pending SCOTUS appointments should scare them into surrender, but they're not going to use that against me and MANY GOP voters like me. If they want a GOP POTUS making those selections, then they'd better make peace with Cruz or Trump. They WILL NOT win the general election with one of their RINOs bearing the GOP standard.

This is all true but think about this. We get a GOP RINO prez and the legislature flips. I can see at least one house doing just that. The force to vote against incumbents is strong, so expect to see some losses. How many is the $1,000,000 question.

Some data

I'm starting to climb aboard the same train you are on. It better be Cruz or Trump, possibly Carson or just go ahead and elect Hillary. The sooner it's burnt down, the sooner we can start over. I still can't vote for a commie, so I'll likely just stay home if it comes to that.

 

[dennishoddy]

I still can't vote for a commie, so I'll likely just stay home if it comes to that.

That's exactly how we got obama.

 

[Shadowrider]

That's exactly how we got obama.

Yep. It is.

I know that, but I'm more and more pessimistic that a real conservative prez and legislature will ever happen. There are not enough statesmen left, the majority is the "take it instead of work for it camp". They don't care about the law, country, anything or anyone else. They only care about what they want and will say and do whatever it takes.

I'm thinking that GTG is correct, that the faster we burn this bitch down, the faster we can rebuild. This omnibus budget bill pretty much convinced me that there's no real hope. If they wouldn't even fight that, they'll not fight for anything else.


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[dennishoddy]

I'd still rather had mitt for 7 years than Obama.