It is a culture issue. Change the culture back to be a Judeo Christian (culture not religion) responsibility based society and nearly every problem we have goes away.
What is the right balance between Rehabilitation/Reformation vs Stopping Violent Predatory Criminals from Reoffending?
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we have absolutely no idea an accurate crime rate.
what the FBI gives us that everyone recites are based on arrest records alone. obviously, if there's no *arrest* for a crime.....does that mean there was no crime?
yes, according the only stats you EVER hear on national crime. especially by race. we also know that many major cities have just completely stopped reporting altogether, a supposedly very recent phenomenon.
but, if you look at the areas that have the higher rates of violent crime, are you able to cross reference that with arrest for violent crimes?
yes!
and if you do, you realize *the most violent parts of america are also the least policed*. In Chicago, the arrest rate for GUN MURDER is 17%.
that's right, if you go to chicago and shoot someone *right now*, there is already an 83% chance you just get away with it.
for non-fatal shootings? 5%. 5% of all non-fatal shootings ever lead to an arrest. this is because police are a *reactionary* force and by design RARELY STOP OR PREVENT CRIME and as they exist in big cities are nothing more than a state sanctioned force to prevent *certain kinds* of societal upheavals. (ie, protected wall street during occupy but let your business on 4th street okc get it's windows broken out and trashed and the same for literally every city in america).
this is *even less* for things like random attacks, muggings, assaults, being thrown onto the train tracks, etc etc.
now, *from the crime stats we DO have*, of those 17% of gun murders in chicago that DO lead to an arrest, we know that over 60% of them are black.
what most people *don't* realize is, you have a ratio here that is one sided. you have MORE UNSOLVED CRIMES than you do SOLVED CRIMES and you have a MINORITY population that is committing the MAJORITY of them.
this means, that for *every unsolved crime, there is *even more chance* that the perpetrator was black*. as only 17% of murders have data that indicates race, and that data suggests the majority of murders are committed by black men aged 13-40, then you must realize there is *even more than that rate % chance of the remaining unsolved crimes also being black*.
so it's not 60%. it's far, far more. it's likely it's 75% or more. if you've got ***83%*** of your data set left over, and you've already observed a trend THAT noticeable thru 17% of it, it's not going to regress, *that trend will only continue to get more standard deviations from the bell curve*.
it's just as likely, in fact, MORE likely that the remaining unsolved crimes have *more* of a black discrepancy than less. this would lead to the murder rate being far higher than the proverbial 53%,55%,60%.
and this is true for literally ANY violent crime, most of them have arrest rates around 10-20% in any given city.
there was no "muh crime dip after the 70's/80's"
there was no "muh cleaned up the cities"
there was no "wuz it abortion or muh leaded gas?"
that's all just a ruse.
the reality is crime is worse than ever, the police just do nothing because by design they can't do anything about it and aren't supposed to.
what the FBI gives us that everyone recites are based on arrest records alone. obviously, if there's no *arrest* for a crime.....does that mean there was no crime?
yes, according the only stats you EVER hear on national crime. especially by race. we also know that many major cities have just completely stopped reporting altogether, a supposedly very recent phenomenon.
but, if you look at the areas that have the higher rates of violent crime, are you able to cross reference that with arrest for violent crimes?
yes!
and if you do, you realize *the most violent parts of america are also the least policed*. In Chicago, the arrest rate for GUN MURDER is 17%.
that's right, if you go to chicago and shoot someone *right now*, there is already an 83% chance you just get away with it.
for non-fatal shootings? 5%. 5% of all non-fatal shootings ever lead to an arrest. this is because police are a *reactionary* force and by design RARELY STOP OR PREVENT CRIME and as they exist in big cities are nothing more than a state sanctioned force to prevent *certain kinds* of societal upheavals. (ie, protected wall street during occupy but let your business on 4th street okc get it's windows broken out and trashed and the same for literally every city in america).
this is *even less* for things like random attacks, muggings, assaults, being thrown onto the train tracks, etc etc.
now, *from the crime stats we DO have*, of those 17% of gun murders in chicago that DO lead to an arrest, we know that over 60% of them are black.
what most people *don't* realize is, you have a ratio here that is one sided. you have MORE UNSOLVED CRIMES than you do SOLVED CRIMES and you have a MINORITY population that is committing the MAJORITY of them.
this means, that for *every unsolved crime, there is *even more chance* that the perpetrator was black*. as only 17% of murders have data that indicates race, and that data suggests the majority of murders are committed by black men aged 13-40, then you must realize there is *even more than that rate % chance of the remaining unsolved crimes also being black*.
so it's not 60%. it's far, far more. it's likely it's 75% or more. if you've got ***83%*** of your data set left over, and you've already observed a trend THAT noticeable thru 17% of it, it's not going to regress, *that trend will only continue to get more standard deviations from the bell curve*.
it's just as likely, in fact, MORE likely that the remaining unsolved crimes have *more* of a black discrepancy than less. this would lead to the murder rate being far higher than the proverbial 53%,55%,60%.
and this is true for literally ANY violent crime, most of them have arrest rates around 10-20% in any given city.
there was no "muh crime dip after the 70's/80's"
there was no "muh cleaned up the cities"
there was no "wuz it abortion or muh leaded gas?"
that's all just a ruse.
the reality is crime is worse than ever, the police just do nothing because by design they can't do anything about it and aren't supposed to.
How do human being get self control, and respect for others? I submit, it must be LEARNED, from parents, churches, schools, and the society they grow up in! We are so affluent right now, that some of our poorest people are SPOILED BRATS! AS everyone that has ever had dealings with a spoiled brat, they ALL HAVE NO RESPECT FOR OTHERS, ESPECIALLY THE PARENT, OR SOCIETY, THAT SPOILED THEM, WILL DO ANYTHING TO GET THEIR WAY, TEMPER TRANTRUMS IN THE MOST PUBLIC PLACE POSSIBLE, TO EMBARRASS THE PARENT, OR SOCIETY, INTO GIVING THEM THEIR WAY! IS THAT NOT WHAT IS HAPPENING IN THIS COUNTRY RIGHT NOW? Overwhel the next rigged election with legitimate votes, then DEMAND we be allowed to witness the vote count, everywhere!!
Not every crime is committed by a real criminal.
Not every criminal has committed a serious crime.
If we can't parse out who commits crime as a part of who they are from who merely has a temporary break from their good sense, then there's no point in having a legal system at all.
A system that observes patterns of behavior and reacts accordingly will see a reduction in overall crime.
The current prison system is not designed to rehabilitate. It CREATES more crime by being a networking hub for real criminals to build their skills and knowledge. Prisoners should not have access to each other except on rare occasions.
Not every criminal has committed a serious crime.
If we can't parse out who commits crime as a part of who they are from who merely has a temporary break from their good sense, then there's no point in having a legal system at all.
A system that observes patterns of behavior and reacts accordingly will see a reduction in overall crime.
The current prison system is not designed to rehabilitate. It CREATES more crime by being a networking hub for real criminals to build their skills and knowledge. Prisoners should not have access to each other except on rare occasions.
if people would just simply follow the ten commandments and teach them to their children most of this but not all of this discussion would be mute,and the reactions to the offenders would be handed out mostly but not completely with justice. weather you believe in God or not.
Good in theory, but remember some folks that actually laid eyes on the tablets didn't follow them. Many that saw Christ's miracles in person still didn't believe. There will always be offenders, what we're doing with them isn't working and they still continue to harm the public over and over.
Human beings are willful creatures by design. Expecting something different out of them is the mark of a fool.
What would this actually look like in practice? How would it address crimes like DUI, usury, or even neighborly disputes over things that might harm property value? Would we still have speed limits? You say whether someone believes in God or not, but does "having no other god before me" allow for other religions in this society including atheism?
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