What will compel most lawful Americans to disarm themselves?

[JB Books]

Some people are afraid of their own shadow. They have no desire to stand up for themselves. Sometimes in life you simply cannot take the easy way.

 

[Glocktogo]

From a conversation on another forum:

Me:

Any sort of rebellion against the soft tyranny we now have will be undertaken by 10-30% of the population, at best. The beginnings of this nation was fraught with danger and the likelihood of failure, made all the worse by the ones who openly opposed it (and subsequently benefited from it).

I think it's far more likely that if arms are ever taken up against tyranny from within, they'll be dug up rather than pulled out of closets and safes. The hard core constitutionalists and pro-gun forces could never pull it off unless the .gov goes far too far and turns the will of a sizable majority against it. Look at the approval numbers for Congress, yet we haven't marched on the capital yet.

Another Poster:

That's because we're patient and peaceful people. Patience is a virtue.

" . . . Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient Causes; and accordingly all Experience hath shewn, that Mankind are more disposed to suffer, while Evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the Forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long Train of Abuses and Usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object, evinces a Design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their Right, it is their Duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future Security. Such has been the patient Sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the Necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government . . . "

They waited until a Hard Tyranny was upon them. We should do the same.

ETA: I'm not suggesting you're for a rebellion right now, or that I read it that way. I just wanted to expand on that thought.

My Reply:

You read me correct. I was saying that those who would ultimately rise up will do so long after bans have turned to confiscations and confiscations have run their course. When the enemy within has become so emboldened that they risk the moral outrage of most of the populace the shovels will come out, but not before.

That's my take on it. You gotta have more than gun bans and turn-ins or confiscations on guns to get a revolution.

 

[druryj]

In visiting with friends who I thought were 2A supporters, I see that many Americans are quite content with creeping gun bans. Multiple times, I was told by others "we really don't need assault rifles", "nobody uses an assault rifle for hunting", "assault rifles are only for killing people". Even avid shooters seem perfectly willing to support a ban on semi-automatic replicas of assault rifles and normal-capacity magazines. I've heard how some would gladly exchange their wall-hangers for $50 or $100 in a mandatory buyout.

Nearly everyone will exchange their rights, liberties and freedoms for something and the promise of perceived safety is deeply appealing to most Americans. What is the 'price-point' most Americans will accept in exchange for their Second Amendment rights?

Referring to the title: "what wil compel..."
I speak only for myself, although I think there are many with a similar view. There is no price point. The only way I'm going to be disarmed by anybody or give up my right to own firearms is if I were to commit some heinous crime requiring me to do so, (can't see that happening as I am not a criminal or a bad guy) or some really lucky bastid with more balls than brains gets lucky ebough to pop me in the bean and then takes my weapon from my lifeless carcass. (Can't really see that happening either, as a Marine, I didn't learn how to give up my life for my convictions; I learned how to make the other sucker give up his).

 

[mr ed]

The majority of Americans suck from the government teat.
The government will come out and say if you want food stamps, section 8, wic, afdc, student loans, social security,military pension,unemployment benifits, etc,etc.
Turn in the guns.
The socialist unions will jump on board and make you turn them in to get union pensions.
They will tax ammo and components so high you can't afford ammo.
They will tack this on to some bill covering some major disaster bill by giving Republicans something the want real bad like Bush tax cuts or some concession on Obamacare.
And they will go for it.

 

[PawPaw]

What was the final straw that started the American Revolution or the War between the states? Were the people having the same fears, feelings of distrust, anger, and betrayal that so many of us are feeling?

 

[uncle money bags]

What was the final straw that started the American Revolution or the War between the states? Were the people having the same fears, feelings of distrust, anger, and betrayal that so many of us are feeling?

I say it happened on April 19, 1775.

"At about 5 a.m., 700 British troops, on a mission to capture Patriot leaders and seize a Patriot arsenal, march into Lexington to find 77 armed minutemen under Captain John Parker waiting for them on the town's common green. British Major John Pitcairn ordered the outnumbered Patriots to disperse, and after a moment's hesitation the Americans began to drift off the green. Suddenly, the "shot heard around the world" was fired from an undetermined gun, and a cloud of musket smoke soon covered the green. When the brief Battle of Lexington ended, eight Americans lay dead or dying and 10 others were wounded. Only one British soldier was injured, but the American Revolution had begun."

Keep in mind, this was five years after the Boston massacre.

 

[PFXD 45]

I say it happened on April 19, 1775.

"At about 5 a.m., 700 British troops, on a mission to capture Patriot leaders and seize a Patriot arsenal, march into Lexington to find 77 armed minutemen under Captain John Parker waiting for them on the town's common green. British Major John Pitcairn ordered the outnumbered Patriots to disperse, and after a moment's hesitation the Americans began to drift off the green. Suddenly, the "shot heard around the world" was fired from an undetermined gun, and a cloud of musket smoke soon covered the green. When the brief Battle of Lexington ended, eight Americans lay dead or dying and 10 others were wounded. Only one British soldier was injured, but the American Revolution had begun."

Keep in mind, this was five years after the Boston massacre.

Love this posting.....^^

 

[WTJ]

Look at what has happened in Canada on this. It reached a point where the registration system was met with monumental indifference. Compliance was so low they quietly scrapped the system and blamed it on cost overruns.

Guess they couldn't arrest everyone.

Therein lies the lesson.

 

[BadKarma]

I think if it comes, it will be under the guise of "reasonable" restrictions. As in, "you cannot have hi cap mags" only 10 or 8 rounders. Then ultimately there may be a restriction on military calibers as there is in Mexico and some European countries. So, you may be able to own a revolver or a 10 shot mag for your semi-auto pistol. Lots of folks would say, "we'll that's not so bad, we still can shoot, and still protect ourselves, our homes and our families." Then in a few years there will be another restriction, maybe like have to keep all rifles at a range or a limit on how much ammo you can buy.

After silent disagreements with the old JB in the past I think we are in total agreement here. The American people, in my opinion, will never fully submit to a total ban on these types of firearms in one step. I don't think we are there yet as a society. However they will give it up in increments that allow them to feel safe or that they are being reasonable. I have had numerous conversations in recent weeks with people that I previously believed were staunch 2A supporters. All were hunters and a few long range bolt gun guys. I'm amazed to learn how many of them are content with an AWB because "we just don't need those weapons around". Or how that it might stop further gun control leaving their weapons untouched. We are all in this fight together regardless of who likes, owns, or shoots any particular style of firearm. I do fear some dark days ahead for all of us. Any degree of compromise is a loss to lawful gun owners somewhere down the line.