Carry in a restaurant bar area.

[Cue]

This is a grey area. But I think this sums it up.

Provided however, a person possessing a valid concealed handgun license pursuant to the provisions of the Oklahoma Self-Defense Act, Section 1290.1 et seq. of this title may carry the concealed handgun into any restaurant or other establishment licensed to dispense low-point beer or alcoholic beverages where the sale of low-point beer or alcoholic beverages does not constitute the primary purpose of the business.

It specifically states that you can carry in a restaurant.

 

[redmax51]

It depends on the establishments primary service.If it's a bar that serves food then no carry.If it's a restaurent that has a bar then yes carry.For example,Night Trips no, TGI Fridays yes.

 

[Cue]

It depends on the establishments primary service.If it's a bar that serves food then no carry.If it's a restaurent that has a bar then yes carry.For example,Night Trips no, TGI Fridays yes.

What a minute Steve. Are you blind? I did not even know Night trips sold beer.

 

[AKguy1985]

What a minute Steve. Are you blind? I did not even know Night trips sold beer.

I've never been there but its a titty bar so i assume they do. Escapades and other totally naked places dont serve alcohol as far as i know

 

[redmax51]

I've never been there but its a titty bar so i assume they do. Escapades and other totally naked places dont serve alcohol as far as i know

Cue's just being funny.

Haven't been in a long time but,when I was a young man like you AK, I spent many a night drinking beer and watching naked ladies dance.

 

[jstaylor62]

I've never been there but its a titty bar so i assume they do. Escapades and other totally naked places dont serve alcohol as far as i know

hhhhmmmm...the Red Dog does serve food...

 

[Nonsensitive]

If a business ever permits patrons under 21 through the business day or any day of the week it cannot by ABLE rules be a bar. (ABLE rules are THE law in Oklahoma when it comes to liquor.)

ABLE only licenses entire establishments, so even if there is a "bar area" where kids are not permitted the place is still not a bar and you can carry there - including the bar area.

Some places allow kids until a certain time and then don't admit them later at night. This is their choice, not a rule or law and does not make them a bar. Again, if kids are ever permitted throughout the day it cannot by ABLE definition be a bar.

Here's a good thread where this issue and many other areas was discussed.

Disclaimer: I am not an attorney. The information I offer is from my experience in the industry along with extensive research on the subject due to a personal legal issue where the accused was exonerated based on the defense I gave their attorney.

http://www.okshooters.com/forums/showthread.php?t=56981

Bryan

I know you mean well but this is not correct and it's pretty confusing.
Oklahoma law makes it so unfortunately because of how the liquor laws evolved.

Establishments submits applications to ABLE... to sell Liquor (and low-point)
to get a license..and a specified designated bar area if they desire to have one. ABLE has the final say. Be very careful. The establishments that switch their hours around on allowing under 21's at different times has nothing to do with their designated areas. The designated areas are permanent and can only be changed by requesting to do so through ABLE.

This is a very complex and confusing issue and there is never a one size fits all answer because of low-point vs high point, and the type of business it is.

It is also difficult to find the answer you want by just reading our laws.
But I would recommend going to the licensing agency for Concealed Carry
http://www.ok.gov/osbi/ Go to the concealed carry section and pull up the law book.

What Redmax51 states is the best way I've seen it put. It all depends on what the establishments main purpose is, i.e., is it a bar only or is it a restaurant with a bar? If it is a restaurant. Is there a specifice bar area designated within or not? If so, stay out of that designated, "no one under 21 area". That will be the bar area. If it is a BAR only it makes no difference if it is low or high point.

Best rule when carrying concealed. If your not sure. Don't carry in there.

It depends on the establishments primary service.If it's a bar that serves food then no carry.If it's a restaurent that has a bar then yes carry.For example,Night Trips no, TGI Fridays yes.

Redmax 51 sums it up.......

 

[jhat]

Valley of the Dolls sells Chili. So there!!!!

 

[BryanDP]

I know you mean well but this is not correct and it's pretty confusing.

Perhaps what I said was unclear to you (and others), but the point I mas attempting to make is absolutely not incorrect according to official written interaction I have from ABLE.

To simplify/clarify my point --

1. According to a letter I have from ABLE it is not possible in Oklahoma to have an establishment licensed as a bar and have people under 21 present ever.

2. According to this same letter it is also not possible to license only a portion of an establishment. Though the establishment may have a designated bar area (such as in a restaurant) the license is still for the establishment itself and not certain areas of it. An establishment is either a bar or not. It can't be part bar and part something else. It also can't "sometimes" be a bar and sometimes not. Designated areas have nothing to do with the establishment license type.

(OK...that wasn't much simpler, was it?)

From these bits of information that I have in writing "from the horses mouth" I deduced:

1. If you are in an establishment that allows people under 21 the establishment cannot possibly fit the legal description of a "bar."

2. If it can't possible fit the legal definition of a bar, it is not prohibited for concealed carry.

Steve is right, though he was just quoting the law. The problem is, it is seemingly impossible for someone to know the criteria that the law requires you to know about a business. I was simply trying to offer a litmus test that a regular person could use without having to see the books of the business or make a call to ABLE every time they want to know if they carry somewhere.

That said, it is certainly possible that you could be arrested and charged for carrying in the bar area of a restaurant. My opinion certainly means nothing to the arresting officer or the DA and I'm not paying for your defense if you get yourself in trouble.

Bryan

 

[BryanDP]

I just thought of two exceptions that could bite you in the backside:

1. A bar could host persons under 21 for a private party. Such a party has its own limitations and rules. In this case it would be possible for you to be in an establishment licensed as a bar with people under 21.

2. It is possible for you to be in an establishment that is licensed other than a bar but its primary purpose based on sales would make it as a bar. That is; it has the wrong license and hasn't yet been caught. I actually suspect there's a lot of this going on in Oklahoma.

Bryan