FBI switching to 9mm

[Sanford]

The heaviest 45 load vs the lightest 9

I guess they don't make 9mm FMJ or Ranger T variety for the test

Standard weight projectile for both calibers, both using +P loadings. And don't forget the standard weight, standard loading from the 1911 just above the two you chose to quote.

 

[CHenry]

Standard weight projectile for both calibers, both using +P loadings. And don't forget the standard weight, standard loading from the 1911 just above the two you chose to quote.

Exactly.

 

[MoBoost]

Standard weight projectile for both calibers, both using +P loadings. And don't forget the standard weight, standard loading from the 1911 just above the two you chose to quote.

"Standard" weight for 9mm is 124gn (aka M882) ... it wasn't used.
Well, do you have a link to the test? I assure you G30 isn't supposed to shoot 9mm.

So far there are three strikes in your test:
1) no reference (aka link)
2) different style of ammo (115gn +P of unknown construction)
3) incorrect data (G30 shooting 9mm)

 

[CHenry]

"Standard" weight for 9mm is 124gn (aka M882) ... it wasn't used.
Well, do you have a link to the test? I assure you G30 isn't supposed to shoot 9mm.

So far there are three strikes in your test:
1) no reference (aka link)
2) different style of ammo (115gn +P of unknown construction)
3) incorrect data (G30 shooting 9mm)

Dang, with those 3 points if must be wrong. Lmao

 

[Sanford]

"Standard" weight for 9mm is 124gn (aka M882) ... it wasn't used.

I was referring to 9mm ball 115gr cartridges per NATO design AC/116-XIIA. 115gr also seems to be a reasonably standard weight for 9mm JHP, judging by what's commonly available on the shelves. Don't some manufacturers consider M882 to be more of a +P+ loading and recommend against it for that reason?

(never mind - found the answer)

M882 9mm Ball Ammunition Characteristics

The M882 ball cartridge consists of a brass case, a copper alloy jacketed lead core bullet, a two-piece boxer-type primer, and a double-base propellant. M882 NATO ammunition manufactured under U.S. Government contracts by Winchester-Western (Olin Corp.) and Federal has a 112 grain FMJ bullet and provides 385 meters/sec. (1263 fps) muzzle velocity as determined by official military test standards measured at 15 feet from the muzzle. The cartridge weighs 179 gr. in total and is 1.165 inches (29.591 mm) in length. M882 NATO 9mm ammunition carries a headstamp with the maker and year of production--example: WCC 88 stamped on a lot made in 1988 by Western Cartridge Company (Olin's Winchester-Western ammunition division) or FC 86, a 1986 lot by Federal Cartridge. The ammunition also carries the NATO stamp of a circle around a plus sign. M882 has been made with and without a cannelure (groove) around the midsection of the brass case.

A second cartridge has been procured, also called "9mm Ball". It is about 0.1mm longer than the M882, but is not authorized for use in service pistols.

It's that 9mm Ball (seems to be marked 9mm NATO) that's the one that shouldn't be shot from some pistols.

Well, do you have a link to the test? I assure you G30 isn't supposed to shoot 9mm.

Not a clue, may have been a G34 as far as I know. And no, I don't have the link - I copied and pasted from a page and I'm not on that page any more. I do remember it was a Aberdeen Proving Ground range, but beyond that I can't tell you. If I found it I guess you could too, if you wanted to.

So far there are three strikes in your test:
1) no reference (aka link)
2) different style of ammo (115gn +P of unknown construction)
3) incorrect data (G30 shooting 9mm)

“Denial does not alter reality."

 

[CHenry]

I shoot only 115 gr. 9mm so its standard to me.

 

[OKCShooter]

Which 92A1 comes stock with 21 round magazines? In any case...



Of course that math is only good if you're of the opinion that you can effectively fire 21 rounds in the time it takes someone else to fire 14, and assume that you'll both have the opportunity or need for a magazine change. I prefer to stick to the hard, numerically provable, scientifically repeatable facts uncolored by opinions or assumptions to make my choice - so did.

Every one of my 92 variants have MecGar 21 round sticks. Sorry you don't like that 9mm pistols hold more ammunition in comparable footprints, but that's just how it is.

That's not an opinion, FYI.

 

[CHenry]

That's not an opinion, FYI.

Most of your **** is

 

[MoBoost]

NATO calls for 112-128gn projectile, sorry don't remember the source.
Either way - current shipment is 124gn.

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[Sanford]

Every one of my 92 variants have MecGar 21 round sticks. Sorry you don't like that 9mm pistols hold more ammunition in comparable footprints, but that's just how it is.

That's not an opinion, FYI.

It's less that I don't like it than it is that I don't really care about it. I mentioned it to keep a level playing field because someone wanted to discount my 14 round mags as they thought they didn't come standard with the gun - not a big deal, my wife's P226 came with 20 round mags. For any scenario I anticipate ever getting involved in, 8 is probably enough, 10 may be more than enough, and 14 is in all likelihood excess - if I had much more I might get myself in trouble.