A call to hands (and mouths): Remember your oath

[Braggs]

When you swore an oath to "defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic", I'm sure, at the time, you probably thought that meant with your gun, right? Did you know you can actively fight against these enemies with your pen and mouths also? Recently I was writing a letter of complaint to my apartment complex about their "open carry" restriction and realized that any time I am debating these unconstitutional laws, rules, and policies, I am actively fighting against the enemies of the constitution. It became clear to me that by voicing my disapproval at businesses with the "gun buster" sign on the door, I am actively fighting against the enemies of the Constitution.

Let me tell you how easy it is to fight against these traitors to the American way... Every time I go to the restaurant "Ingrid's Kitchen" here in Oklahoma city (36th and Youngs) I say to the boy behind the counter, "I would like to file a complaint about the gun-buster sign on the door." Each time, he tells me he's tired of hearing about it. While this might not sound like much, those words keep chipping away at the boy's resolve. I'm sure every time he mentions to his coworkers about all the people complaining about the sign.

Don't passively protest by refusing to spend your dollar at businesses with the gun-buster sign on the door... Instead, actively support the Constitution and your rights by fighting these people with formal and polite complaints to the management or owners (if available). They'll get the hint after enough people complain. You have the support of a majority of the population since they voted FOR the open carry at the polls here in Oklahoma.

Let's start a game by posting all the locations you have complained at. We'll get other okshooter members to target these locations for complaints of their own! Only when we work together will we have a voice loud enough to change these unconstitutional policies.

Happy "hunting"!

Braggs

 

[Lurker66]

Its one way to "fight" back. A private company has a right to NOT allow firearms, our right doesnt trump their right.

I choose not to bother them by not spending my money there. Finding gun freindly businesses and doing business there works and puts "rights" on equal footing.

 

[sh00ter]

Its one way to "fight" back. A private company has a right to NOT allow firearms, our right doesnt trump their right.

I choose not to bother them by not spending my money there. Finding gun freindly businesses and doing business there works and puts "rights" on equal footing.

A business may be privately owned but is still a very PUBLIC place...it is not the same as someone's home...just because you choose to open a business to make money IN PUBLIC, you can't usurp the law of the land...if they can put up a sign that says no guns, then they can also put up a sign that says no blacks...I am on the fence because I do want the business owner to be able to refuse service in certain cases (like the lesbian cake thing in Oregon), but when it comes to the Constitution it is hard to support a business owner who CHOOSES to do business with the PUBLIC can then just make up their own laws. My 2 cents..

 

[Lurker66]

Maybe, i see your point, however, posting no guns isnt discrimination or violating your rights.

Refusing to bake a cake or refusing to serve a black person is a violation of civil rights.

 

[Braggs]

Its one way to "fight" back. A private company has a right to NOT allow firearms, our right doesnt trump their right.

I choose not to bother them by not spending my money there. Finding gun freindly businesses and doing business there works and puts "rights" on equal footing.

Yes, there are laws on the books (maybe somewhere) that says they have a right to refuse business and possibly to remove you from their property (trespassing?). For now, I agree you should respect them and their unpatriotic policies, otherwise, why should they respect you and your message?

Simply "not spending your money there" is a very passive protest. How can they know they lost business unless you tell them they did? How can they know their gun policy is what caused them to lose business unless you tell them it is?

The liberals (like the Tulsa World) don't wait for economics to work things out... they actively market their gun control message to businesses providing them the "legal" message and perhaps even the window decals. We need to be just as active as the enemy because if you're not playing offense, then you're only losing ground.

Braggs

 

[sh00ter]

Maybe, i see your point, however, posting no guns isnt discrimination or violating your rights.

Refusing to bake a cake or refusing to serve a black person is a violation of civil rights.

I respectfully disagree..."no guns" discriminates against those who choose to exercise their right to bear arms...I am on the fence here man...I mean part of me says if someone doesn't like it, they can go on down the road because it is not systematic discrimination...when the gov't impedes blacks or gays or gun owners, then that is systematic...but a private business owner, also has rights....But I think ULTIMATELY, it comes down to a cost of doing business...If you are gonna do business with the public, you have to be more tolerant of the public than is they were coming into your home. But then, if that is true, then can I refuse to bake a cake for a customer who is a demanding a-hole? Or do I somehow violate his rights? What about refusing to serve anyone who voted for 0bama because you do not want to support anyone who helped to destroy the nation? I mean this debate can get real granular..

But looking ONLY at the CCW policy, I think perhaps a barber shop might be fine with a sign, but a wal-mart is not...maybe only mom & pop businesses can decide but large national businesses must accept local laws in order to do business in that state???? Can we find any common ground there Lurker66?

 

[Darva]

It became clear to me that by voicing my disapproval at businesses with the "gun buster" sign on the door, I am actively fighting against the enemies of the Constitution.

Every store owner has their rights to make their own rules and regulations. Doesn't trying to take peoples rights from others against the Constitution too? Why force your idealism on other people?

Every time I go to the restaurant "Ingrid's Kitchen" here in Oklahoma city (36th and Youngs) I say to the boy behind the counter, "I would like to file a complaint about the gun-buster sign on the door." Each time, he tells me he's tired of hearing about it. While this might not sound like much, those words keep chipping away at the boy's resolve.

This is where your theory is flawed, you're not attacking the business by any means. You're attacking their employees. What does the boy have to do with their regulations? All he does is bus peoples tables and puts up with the **** that is given to him. Sure if their job sucks so bad he can quit. But if you rely on saying that then that just means sure if they have a no guns policy you can just go down the road. Try being civil, like you said, and talk with someone who can make a difference. I.e. Their management.

Saying no guns is not racism or discrimination at all.
Race has do deal with human beings.
Guns are an item. They are innate. They cannot think or move on their own.

I'm pro gun, pro conceal carry, pro open carry, ect but damn man. Businesses deserve to have their own way of conduct and shouldn't be forced to any set rules by their government or people. That just sounds like straight up communism.

 

[LightningCrash]

Maybe, i see your point, however, posting no guns isnt discrimination or violating your rights.

Refusing to bake a cake or refusing to serve a black person is a violation of civil rights.

If they put up a sign that said "no gun owners", would that be a violation of civil rights?

 

[Braggs]

Y'all are getting way off topic here. Nobody is questioning the rights of the business owners to put a gun-buster sign on their door... the sign is already there.

You're attacking their employees.

I didn't call the guy at the register a liberal P.O.S. for allowing the sign on the door. THAT is attacking the employee. Instead, I told him politely I would like to voice my disagreement with the sign. I don't disagree with who the employee is... for all I know, he's a gun-toting, red-blooded American too and needs the complaints so he can pass them up to his liberal, rights-squashing boss!

Why force your idealism on other people? ... Businesses deserve to have their own way of conduct and shouldn't be forced to any set rules by their government or people.

Nobody is forcing anybody to do anything. The business owners still have a choice, we are simply making them aware people disagree by using our first amendment rights. Now I'm sure you know that "majority rules" is a very American tradition... Make sure you're doing your part to stick up for the majority!

 

[JB Books]

A private business has a right to not allow guns in their business. That's just a fact. Our rights do not trump theirs.

However, we sure don't have to support them, and writing polite complaint letters may get them to change their policy (probably not though...too afraid of liability).