A call to hands (and mouths): Remember your oath

[Braggs]

What the Hell does this even mean?

It means while you would respect their rights, they didn't show you the same respect when they put the gun buster sign up on the door. They also didn't respect you when companies lobbied the government so long ago to make a law saying they can throw you out of their business for whatever reason they choose. Hell, they'd still be doing it based on race, sex, or disability if it wasn't for the civil rights act.

They don't respect you but you still respect them. That is admirable but you're still having your rights infringed upon in violation of the 2nd amendment where it says "right to bear arms shall not be infringed".

Braggs

 

[sh00ter]

a masterful quote from a buddy when i asked him to comment on this:

"originally i leaned towards the business owner's right. Like old conservatives, i'm big on personal property. Something that was big in the 1800s but has been eroded by the regressives.

On some things i have to go back to ancient and medieval times to justify it from a conservative view. Like i support (reasonable) federal disaster relief because in roman and medieval times, the emperor or king would grant temporary tax exemption and other economic relief to those people in the regions hit.

in medieval times it was custom to leave your weapon at the door when you entered someone's home. But you could carry it in buildings for daily business.

so i rule in favor of being able to carry it into businesses.

Or at least make it consistent. Carrying a gun is my civil right. Civil rights ain't just for minorities, as much as the left likes you to think it is. If an owner doesn't want me in there, then that owner should be able to choose all he/she wants to serve or not serve (race, etc.)"

 

[uncle money bags]

From this moment forward i declare thus; all members of the public who enter my business, for any reason , must be armed at a minimum with a handgun whose bore shall not be less than 9mm. Special consideration will be given to those who enter with multiple weapons, e.g. Rifles, pikes, swords or other edged weapons. Any one who enters without said accouterments will be asked to leave immediately while being scorned, insulted and otherwise treated with disdain.

 

[JB Books]

It's THEIR business. The have the right to decide how to run it. If they choose to prohibit guns, you are free to patronize other businesses. You are free to organize a boycott of their business. However, you have to remember, it's still THEIR business.

The obligations of private enterprise to recognize your rights are very narrow. Their desire to do so is even more narrow. Their goal is profit, pure and simple.

What I'm having trouble with is your contention that you have a "right" you can somehow force upon someone, particularly when this "right" isn't among those that could qualify as "protected." It seems in your zeal to exercise your rights, you would deny others theirs.

It means while you would respect their rights, they didn't show you the same respect when they put the gun buster sign up on the door. They also didn't respect you when companies lobbied the government so long ago to make a law saying they can throw you out of their business for whatever reason they choose. Hell, they'd still be doing it based on race, sex, or disability if it wasn't for the civil rights act.

They don't respect you but you still respect them. That is admirable but you're still having your rights infringed upon in violation of the 2nd amendment where it says "right to bear arms shall not be infringed".

Braggs

 

[Braggs]

It's THEIR business. The have the right to decide how to run it. If they choose to prohibit guns, you are free to patronize other businesses. You are free to organize a boycott of their business. However, you have to remember, it's still THEIR business.

The obligations of private enterprise to recognize your rights are very narrow. Their desire to do so is even more narrow. Their goal is profit, pure and simple.

What I'm having trouble with is your contention that you have a "right" you can somehow force upon someone, particularly when this "right" isn't among those that could qualify as "protected." It seems in your zeal to exercise your rights, you would deny others theirs.

Show me in the bill of rights where it says a private citizen has the right to use his business or land-ownership to deny a citizen their rights enumerated under the Constitution.

About the "forcing" issue again, I'm not forcing the business owner to carry a weapon but he is "forcing" me to remove mine. I am simply suggesting organizing a friendly game of "let them know Oklahoma doesn't approve".

 

[Braggs]

From this moment forward i declare thus; all members of the public who enter my business, for any reason , must be armed at a minimum with a handgun whose bore shall not be less than 9mm. Special consideration will be given to those who enter with multiple weapons, e.g. Rifles, pikes, swords or other edged weapons. Any one who enters without said accouterments will be asked to leave immediately while being scorned, insulted and otherwise treated with disdain.

Ha ha! While this is both funny and awesome, I'd expect you'd still get complaints (or loss of business) from people who don't meet your standards.

Braggs

 

[JB Books]

Show me in the bill of rights where it says a private citizen has the right to use his business or land-ownership to deny a citizen their rights enumerated under the Constitution.

About the "forcing" issue again, I'm not forcing the business owner to carry a weapon but he is "forcing" me to remove mine. I am simply suggesting organizing a friendly game of "let them know Oklahoma doesn't approve".

It's pretty much accepted jurisprudence that business owners can ask you to refrain from certain acts while patronizing their businesses. If you disagree so much, push the issue and sue. Let us know how it works out.

You don't get it, or simply won't get it. That's your prerogative.

 

[bulbboy]

You don't get it, or simply won't get it. That's your prerogative.

This...

 

[yukonjack]

It's pretty much accepted jurisprudence that business owners can ask you to refrain from certain acts while patronizing their businesses. If you disagree so much, push the issue and sue. Let us know how it works out.

You don't get it, or simply won't get it. That's your prerogative.

You're raining on their parade, again! Stop! Some people just have this idea that if a private business is open to the public that makes it public property. Not much different then those businesses that post "No shirt, No shoes, No service".

 

[okie362]

BTW....Businesses are NOT public property. They are either owned by an individual or group of individuals.

The guns buster signs are not denying you sevice. They are however denying you the ability to lawfully carry on their premises. You still have the choice to dis-arm and do business with them or go elsewhere. You are even free to voice your concerns over their policy. What you are not free to do is disregard the wishes of the property owner/lease holder.

As previously stated, their property...their rules.