any relation with AD/ND?

[John Zane]

That's a pretty good way of looking at it. However, to me negligence implies damages, which may or may not be the case. If you spank off a round in the tool box and no other consequences ensue, no negligence, just a feeling of foolishness. Do the same while pointing it at your TV or another person and it's another story.

I fixed it for you.

 

[Glocktogo]

I fixed it for you.

HAHA,

The consequences in that case are merciless ribbing by your fellow shooters!

 

[de-evoproject]

I don't know on this one. I grew up around alot of hunters and they stressed safety above all. Here in OKC i have alot of friends that like guns and target shoot occasionally, and i see alot more unsafe practices go on with them.

I think tho that the amount of AD/ND's is more directly related to a person's sense of responsibility, time around firearms and training. Just enough time around a firearm increases your chance of AD/ND's. So the occasional hunter has a lower chance than the regular sport shooter. And the occasional target shooter has a lower chance than the regular hunter. Assuming all of these guy have a similar level of responsibility and training.

Long post to say my opinion is hunter vs. target guy has no bearing directly on the chances of AD/ND.

 

[carleb]

After giving this some thought, I have a new opinion. Basically it comes down to two considerations:

1. Having an opportunity and willingness to learn the safety rules.
2. Having an attitude and willingness (or self discipline) to live within those rules.

Much like driving a car. Do you drive over the speed limit, take needless risks, perceive tragedies only happen to others, but not you, let emotion rule over common sense?

Having the discipline to do what you know you should, each and every time you pick up a firearm.

 

[HiredHand]

Glocktogo,

I always thought of them this way:

Accidental discharge: a discharge based on a failure or flaw of the weapon (i.e. broken sear, safety/decocker, not drop safe, etc.). These would be very uncommon but not unheard of.

Negligent discharge: based on unsafe care of control of the weapon. These would constitute the vast majority we hear about.

I agree 100%.

 

[HMCS(FMF)Ret.]

Another big problem is complacency.
We get so comfortable handling these guns, we get too loose with our safety procedures. It can happen to anybody & it can happen in the blink of an eye.

I completely agree! It's nice to see people take the time to remind us that these things happen. I tell ya, It sure has helped me to remember safety after seeing the picture of his hand.

 

[redneck1861]

I started to respond to the thread about the AD/ND and wound to the hand, but thought this was more appropriate in another thread.

I know some folks shoot, but don't hunt. Does anyone think that AD/ND situations are more prone with people that shoot, but don't hunt vs. those that hunt and have seen the massive wounds any high power can inflict?

It sure made an impression on me when I saw what a 150 gr. 30-06 can do to a 100 lb. Oklahoma whitetail. Makes a fella reflect on the survivability with gunshots. Double and triple checks are a routine and not paranoia with me.

I'm not digging at the fella who shot his own hand. He may be an accomplished hunter for all I know, but it's a legitimate question.

Man, I understand your question, I am not sure what types of gun owners are more prone to AD/ND, I am a hunter, I hunt every year and bag at least 1 per year, and I target shoot almost on a daily basis. But what happened to me was pure careless actions, I have been around guns my whole life and have been shooting since I was 8, and regretfully I got too confident that a accident like this could never happen to me, and as most of you know, I was wrong. There is nothing else I can blame it on. It was a real eye-opener to me, and hopefully by sharing my story with yall, it might keep this from happening to somebody else

 

[carleb]

Man, I understand your question, I am not sure what types of gun owners are more prone to AD/ND, I am a hunter, I hunt every year and bag at least 1 per year, and I target shoot almost on a daily basis. But what happened to me was pure careless actions, I have been around guns my whole life and have been shooting since I was 8, and regretfully I got too confident that a accident like this could never happen to me, and as most of you know, I was wrong. There is nothing else I can blame it on. It was a real eye-opener to me, and hopefully by sharing my story with yall, it might keep this from happening to somebody else

I admire your willingness to share your story and take responsibility for an instant of letting down your guard. I hope you have a rapid and complete recovery.

Actually, I've had a ND myself and thank goodness no one got hurt except the wall. It makes a person gain a whole new perspective.

 

[Rod Snell]

Does anyone think that AD/ND situations are more prone with people that shoot, but don't hunt vs. those that hunt and have seen the massive wounds any high power can inflict?

No I don't.
I teach OK hunter safety, and get the hunting accident/incident figures from al the states. I also get the figures from IDPA and USPSA, being a CRO and match director.

By far, competitors in sanctioned pistol matches are safer on a per capita/per shot basis than hunters. Shooting incidents in sanctioned matches are so rare that each injury is reported and commented on by NROI in USPSA, for example. Fortunately, both sports have fewer trips to the emergency room than any team "ball" sports, or even ping-pong.

In my experience, the most dangerous shooter thinks they know enough to "shade" the safety rules, especially having a beer while shooting.

Ask any emergency room doctor how many show up bleeding and smelling of alcohol.