AR open carry at Hafer park in Edmond

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No, what he is doing goes beyond standards of public decency and normal "open carry". He was engaging in abnormal behavior for the specific and openly stated purpose of causing fear and eliciting a response. That is irresponsible, even if it's not illegal.

Open carry is becoming more acceptable and normal, in most situations and circumstances. This guy wasn't just enjoying a leisurely day at the park while he happened to be open carrying a pistol for personal protection. He was engaging in immature, self-aggrandizing, theater so he could go home and count his youtube likes and comments.

If you walk around with your pants hanging off your a## and your underwear showing, it's legal but it's still stupid and I will deride you for it while still recognizing your right to do it. If you walk around blowing massive clouds of vape smoke into crowds of bystanders, it's probably legal but you are an idiot. If you want to wear a man-kini at the public pool, it might be legal but nobody wants to see your nut hair. If you want to strap on three guns, including a long gun (or something easily mistaken for a long gun) and take a walk in a public park just to get a rise out of moms pushing their kids in strollers and "educate the cops" then, again, you are an idiot and I have no use for you. I will point you out to my children and call you names....while still agreeing you have a right to do it.

His behavior is a classic example of critical decisions being made where rights and responsibilities intersect.
I missed the part where he said purpose was trying to cause fear. And what is normal open carry? Also at one time it was abnormal to carry a concealed pistol.
 

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No, what he is doing goes beyond standards of public decency and normal "open carry".

Open carry is becoming more acceptable and normal, in most situations and circumstances.

His behavior is a classic example of critical decisions being made where rights and responsibilities intersect.

You state what he did is beyond normal open carry, yet then state open carry of a handgun is becoming more normal now. So it wasn't at one time? So when people started open carrying and caused disturbances, they were idiots too? But now it's okay (in most instances and circumstances) because it's legal and becoming more the norm. I guess I'm trying to determine at which point do restrictions placed on what guns can be carried and when they can be carried are okay? Giving this reasoning, there is no need for anyone to have a MSR in any form as they cause fear among the general populace. Restrictions are infringements and only benefit the end game of total elimination. The critical decisions that are mentioned will result in more restrictions being put in place and by the time everyone says enough is enough, it's too late. They will wish somebody would have stood up for them long ago. But right now, there is a portion of the firearm owning community who think this won't affect them and the people who do this should be held accountable for their actions, even the legal ones. So how long will it take for it to become the norm?

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I'm not advocating legal restrictions...I should be able to drive around with a Ma Deuce mounted in the back of my truck if I want to. I'm talking about personal ones, self regulation, and responsibility.

Open carry is becoming more normal because it is legal now, and most people who do it are doing so a low key way while going about their normal daily business. It didn't become legal or normal because of people like these self-appointed auditors.

In this case he's not fighting for anything. Open carry for personal defense is already legal. If he wants to keep pulling those stunts, he is completely free to do so, but he's not getting an atta' boy or pat on the back from me. He doesn't represent me or mine.

(Photos of Israeli soldiers carrying rifles while on pass is completely irrelevant to the discussion of the social acceptability of carrying long guns, perceived or actual, in a public park in Oklahoma, U.S.A.)
 
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I believe most people carry concealed to have an advantage of not getting shot first by being identified as armed. I believe some open carry to maybe discourage a possible encounter with a bad guy or its just easier to carry some times. Either way its their right to do so and most all are glad that LE has encountered situations like these videos before they encounter you.
 

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If 'most' sensible people agree with you, then there are some sensible people who don't. I'm one of them. If you carry the logic of your 'argument' over to 'reasonable' people, there are reasonable people who don't agree with you. I'm one of them as well.

For further clarification of your stated claims, please follow up here with your definition of "sensible people" and your definition of "reasonable people" and how those definitions apply here. For now, all I see are clichés with a dose of your personal opinions and pretense.

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Sensible-chosen in accordance with wisdom or prudence; likely to be of benefit.

If you think it’s sensible for a grown man to strap on 3 guns and stroll thru a crowd of college kids live streaming just to see the police reaction and post to YouTube then I can’t help you. I’m guessing most sensible people on a pro gun forum such as OSA would agree it is not a very prudent thing to do. Would you like for me to define prudent for you as well?

I guess we can determine that with the limited sample of likes this or your posts receive if you feel the need to rationalize his behavior or your support of it.


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If theses guy want to audit LEOs and their response to him carrying an AR Pistol. Then take up shop on the public sidewalk outside of the police station. Or whatever the closest legal distance is from said police station with his guns and dressed as tacticool timmy. What is the benefit of doing it in a crowded park?
 

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If theses guy want to audit LEOs and their response to him carrying an AR Pistol. Then take up shop on the public sidewalk outside of the police station. Or whatever the closest legal distance is from said police station with his guns and dressed as tacticool timmy. What is the benefit of doing it in a crowded park?

That's exactly what I proposed in an earlier post. If he wants to educate the cops, why doesn't he take it directly to them? Perhaps he can develop and submit an informative training plan...but that would be boring and not capture any youtube audience.
 
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This thread has turned into, for the most part, "I'm more 2A than you are". That isn't the point. What this guy did is perfectly legal. But his intent was not to just be enjoying his God-given rights, but to make a scene and invoke a response that he could post on social media. Legal, but not smart. Everyone here believes in and supports 2A. Some want to be "in your face" while others feel that that approach is no different that the radical leftists that we laugh and cuss at daily, here on OSA and in private conversations. Both approaches have pros and cons. But, with the history of widely publicized shooting incidents, in public places, and with the evil "assault weapons", the actions by this young man potentially gave the anti-gunners more points than it did for our side. Nothing wrong with public protests, we just need to be smarter about how we conduct them.
 
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Sensible-chosen in accordance with wisdom or prudence; likely to be of benefit.

If you think it’s sensible for a grown man to strap on 3 guns and stroll thru a crowd of college kids live streaming just to see the police reaction and post to YouTube then I can’t help you. I’m guessing most sensible people on a pro gun forum such as OSA would agree it is not a very prudent thing to do.
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This is the most sensible argument I've heard in favor of defining who can carry what and where they can carry it.
 

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