ATF SWAT Team Raids Part-Time Oklahoma FFL’s Home, Confiscates His Guns

[bushmaster06]

We’ve been piling crap on the ATF for decades though. Some of it rightfully so

All of it rightfully so.

 

[Snattlerake]

May I ask how long ago that was? Seems like every agency has become infected with politics
Especially this one.

Mostly from the top down.

 

[WoodsCraft]

2006-2016. In there

The ATF for 98% of its history has been a dog off a chain. Carter used them to aggressively go after FFL’s in the 70’s they were briefly reigned in after Reagan signed the FOPA into law and at the same time the Hughes Amendment closed the door on the registration of new machine guns for private ownership. Overall though the FOPA still did more good than harm for citizens who own guns and reeled in the ATF a little bit.

Bush and Clinton same story , more executive orders and the ATF acting making up rules as they go, Clinton was responsible for shutting down FFL’s wholesale. Baby Bush signed executive orders and would have the AWB renewal had congress passed it, cause well sporting purposes. Don’t forget Obama and Trump too .

I don’t remember ATF ever being on the side of the citizens in my lifetime or enforcing the law as it was passed and in an even handed manner.

The jokes abound about them killing dogs women and children, but some of us are old enough to remember all that unfold on the nightly news and some of are old enough to remember but we choose not to.

These people make up the rules as they go and they change them on a whim.

 

[Gunbuffer]

The ATF for 98% of its history has been a dog off a chain. Carter used them to aggressively go after FFL’s in the 70’s they were briefly reigned in after Reagan signed the FOPA into law and at the same time the Hughes Amendment closed the door on the registration of new machine guns for private ownership. Overall though the FOPA still did more good than harm for citizens who own guns and reeled in the ATF a little bit.

Bush and Clinton same story , more executive orders and the ATF acting making up rules as they go, Clinton was responsible for shutting down FFL’s wholesale. Baby Bush signed executive orders and would have the AWB renewal had congress passed it, cause well sporting purposes. Don’t forget Obama and Trump too .

I don’t remember ATF ever being on the side of the citizens in my lifetime or enforcing the law as it was passed and in an even handed manner.

The jokes abound about them killing dogs women and children, but some of us are old enough to remember all that unfold on the nightly news and some of are old enough to remember but we choose not to.

These people make up the rules as they go and they change them on a whim.

How many aft agents have you had in front of you and dealt with personally? And how much of those interactions have shaped your viewpoint of the ATF?
This is all I’m adding to the story.

 

[Gunbuffer]

Mostly from the top down.

Exactly. Policies and political appointees are the issue. A lot of the agents themselves are just good ol boys with LEA degrees that decided to go Fed vs a local dept.

 

[Gunbuffer]

I do not care. An ATF agent could be the nicest dude in the world, but I still wouldn't piss in his mouth if his teeth were on fire simply because he chose to work for the ATF.

Ok patriot

 

[WoodsCraft]

How many aft agents have you had in front of you and dealt with personally? And how much of those interactions have shaped your viewpoint of the ATF?
This is all I’m adding to the story.

I have no doubt some of them are very amenable as I am certain there were some wonderfully pleasant gestapo and nkvd agents in WWII also .

People generally know you by the company you’ve kept and and by their actions .


1972 to current day there's a decent track record of them shitting on the rights of citizens all I need to know

 

[HillsideDesolate]

I'm just gonna drop this Blast From the Past, a moldy oldie from way back when Punk Rock was Anti-Goverment Aus-Rotten with B.A.T.F.



I got it on vinyl.

 

[bigred1]

I just gonna drop this Blast From the Past, a moldy oldie from way back when Punk Rock was Anti-Goverment Aus-Rotten with B.A.T.F.



I got it on vinyl.

 

[WoodsCraft]

Exactly. Policies and political appointees are the issue. A lot of the agents themselves are just good ol boys with LEA degrees that decided to go Fed vs a local dept.