Also, Federal Law is SUPPOSED to protect you when you are traveling between jurisdictions.
Sorry, it's been a while, and I'm too lazy to look it up.
Edit:
Here ya go! http://www.okshooters.com/search.php?searchid=2122243
That comes back as "No Match".
There is a member here, chubb... something, that works as a plainclothes LEO for Citizen Pottawatomie Nation (CPN). I was setting up a meeting with him for a gun deal , and asked if we could meet at the Grand Casino, and he said that if I showed up on any CPN land with a gun he would arrest me.??? Not a real friendly kind of way to treat a fellow OSAer.
He said he had recentyl arrested some guy at the CPN bowling alley for open carrying, so I asked him what the deal was, and he said it is illegal to carry anywhere on Indian land, and that they could arrest you if they wanted.
The bowling alley is clearly marked "No Firearms", but I doubt they arrested him. Probably just showed him the door.
We all know that it's already unlawful to carry into a casino due the pari-mutuel wagering. So, what's the difference between jurisdiction and a reservation?
Criminal Jurisdiction in Indian Country.
Criminal Jurisdiction in Indian Country.
Kind of confusing. There are no more actual indian reservations in Oklahoma. Not since statehood. Statehood did away with reservation status for all of the indian tribes that were moved to this territory pre statehood. Individual indians and tribes themselves do own land that is held in trust for them and managed by OST via the BIA/Federal government, but no tribe in Oklahoma lives on a formal reservation.
(I'm Osage-Kaw, my mother lives on my grandfathers fathers allottment in Osage county, and my brother lives in the small village in Pawhuska that like their headquarters campus is the only Osage property under the jurisdiction of the tribal police force and the Federal government and is what is considered a de facto reservation, but in actuality is not a real reservation. Osage county is in a unique situation. What we have that is unique and unlike any other tribe is basically an underground quasi reservation.
The Osages held up statehood over not wanting to give up land that they were forced into buying with their own moneys that was held in trust by the Feds for moving out of Missouri, Arkansas and Kansas and giving up their lands there.They ended up negociating for ownership of all of the mineral rights in all of Osage countys substrate, the largest county in Oklahoma- basically anything underground in all of Osage county is owned by and reserved for descendants of the original allottees who signed their roll in 1905, and is managed by the BIA with the proceeds administered by the Office of Special Trustee for American indians. Individual indians did still own trust allottments, white people were then able to come on to the former reservation pre statehood and claim and buy property, but the tribe would always own the mineral rights and the small village and tribal headquarters properties in Pawhuska were treated like small reservations with the Feds helping protect it, same as they do today).
(I'm Osage-Kaw, my mother lives on my grandfathers fathers allottment in Osage county, and my brother lives in the small village in Pawhuska that like their headquarters campus is the only Osage property under the jurisdiction of the tribal police force and the Federal government and is what is considered a de facto reservation, but in actuality is not a real reservation. Osage county is in a unique situation. What we have that is unique and unlike any other tribe is basically an underground quasi reservation.
The Osages held up statehood over not wanting to give up land that they were forced into buying with their own moneys that was held in trust by the Feds for moving out of Missouri, Arkansas and Kansas and giving up their lands there.They ended up negociating for ownership of all of the mineral rights in all of Osage countys substrate, the largest county in Oklahoma- basically anything underground in all of Osage county is owned by and reserved for descendants of the original allottees who signed their roll in 1905, and is managed by the BIA with the proceeds administered by the Office of Special Trustee for American indians. Individual indians did still own trust allottments, white people were then able to come on to the former reservation pre statehood and claim and buy property, but the tribe would always own the mineral rights and the small village and tribal headquarters properties in Pawhuska were treated like small reservations with the Feds helping protect it, same as they do today).
The map is helpful, but can be misconstrued. i.e. IF that was a criminal jurisdiction map, then tribal police could run rampant through Tulsa arresting people for violating tribal law... Obviously this is not the case. The Federal reservations I have seen are clearly marked, and you would have to be very lost to accidentally travel through one, at least in OK. Not sure about New Mexico/Arizona where the Navajo reservation is HUGE.
At least, these are some uneducated musings...
Edit: NFF posted before I did and has it straight... my ex is Osage and I forgot about the mineral rights thing.
At least, these are some uneducated musings...
Edit: NFF posted before I did and has it straight... my ex is Osage and I forgot about the mineral rights thing.
Okay let's make things more confusing, most tribal police are cross-deputized with the county sheriffs too. Which means they are deputy sheriffs when they leave the trust property.
For what it's worth most sheriffs welcome the free man-power.
For what it's worth most sheriffs welcome the free man-power.
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