WTF My constitional right doesn't just disappear when I walk into a business, or drive onto a property.
WTF My constitional right doesn't just disappear when I walk into a business, or drive onto a property.
And while I'm at it I'll just wave my magic wand and make myself CEO.
I'm not debating the fact that "No Weapons" signs are ineffective at curbing crime. What they do is reduce the companies liability when violence occurs.
This is what gets me - if your weapon is concealed, who would know? And if a day came where you needed to skin it and perhaps save a life (your own) are they really going to go there? It would only be a misdemeanor with a $250 fine (TITLE 21 § 1277, para. c) Small peanuts for living!
I once posed this question to our "Manager of Branch Operations": "If there were to be a situation where a co-worker were in danger and I saved them with my gun, would I get in trouble for having it at work?" He told me I would probably be scolded and the policy would be changed.
Your rights do not outweigh the rights of the owner of the property you are on.
Surely you don't think it's okay for someone to come onto your land and do as they please. Neither do companies
BTW Shooter00, love the avitar.
I'm kinda in the same boat. I have my CCW and always pack. We have some procedures in place regarding weapons, however it says unauthorized weapons. As I'm an officer in the company (not LEO, but VP) and part owner here, mine is authorized.
With that said, I am humbly reminded of what my SDA instructor taught: Never come to another's defense who you weren't willing to spend the rest of your life in prison for.
I can come up with some valid examples:
Lets say sweet Mindy Sue in accounting was sitting there accounting about like normal on a monday morning and some big ugly dude busts in and you hear gun shots in the opposite office. Upon hearing this, you get up and go into the other office with your deadly weapon drawn and at the ready, and there is that big ugly long haired dude standing over her rooting around in her purse. She's lying motionless on the floor with a gunshot wound. You do the "logical" thing and bring your gun to bear, shooting the dude dead.
Woops. It turns out, unbeknownst to anyone in the office, that sweet Mindy Sue was one of the head "cooks" at a local meth lab. The big ugly hairy guy was an undercover cop. Further investigation showed that sweet Mindy had a pistol in her purse, along with 5,000 bucks cash and a big sack of speed.
You suddenly realize you're going to prison for the rest of your life.
Things aren't always what they seem.
(after taking that SDA course, I kinda wish I was still living in that ignorant bliss that I existed in prior to the education.)
Never come to anyone's defense that you wouldn't mind spending the rest of your life in jail for. For me that includes, myself, my children, my parents and my siblings.
With that said, I am humbly reminded of what my SDA instructor taught: Never come to another's defense who you weren't willing to spend the rest of your life in prison for.
I can come up with some valid examples:
Lets say sweet Mindy Sue in accounting was sitting there accounting about like normal on a monday morning and some big ugly dude busts in and you hear gun shots in the opposite office. Upon hearing this, you get up and go into the other office with your deadly weapon drawn and at the ready, and there is that big ugly long haired dude standing over her rooting around in her purse. She's lying motionless on the floor with a gunshot wound. You do the "logical" thing and bring your gun to bear, shooting the dude dead.
Woops. It turns out, unbeknownst to anyone in the office, that sweet Mindy Sue was one of the head "cooks" at a local meth lab. The big ugly hairy guy was an undercover cop. Further investigation showed that sweet Mindy had a pistol in her purse, along with 5,000 bucks cash and a big sack of speed.
You suddenly realize you're going to prison for the rest of your life.
Things aren't always what they seem.
(after taking that SDA course, I kinda wish I was still living in that ignorant bliss that I existed in prior to the education.)
Never come to anyone's defense that you wouldn't mind spending the rest of your life in jail for. For me that includes, myself, my children, my parents and my siblings.
Go and get yourself licensed as a PI/Security Guard. Then you can carry with the signs up.
This is one of the best points I have seen in a while with regard to "defending" others. Things are NEVER what they seem.
BC
As my life is more important than an after the fact slap on the wrist, I'd quietly work it out with management and never let anyone below that level become aware that I was carrying (read, deep concealment). If it got out to the rest of the workforce that you were carrying, you can imagine the cries of foul that would ensue. if it did get out, they'd either have to amend the policy or "officially" address the matter. Of course employee disciplinary measures are strictly between management and the employee, so this could range from "don't carry till we fix the policy", to "don't let co-workers find out you're carrying again, ok?"
I've worked for an employer that didn't require us to carry, but allowed and encouraged it as a theft deterrent (open carry in a LE supply store). We had no armed security duties assigned, either written or verbal. It was understood that the gun was for our self-defense and therefore didn't require an armed guard license (I've had CLEET I-IV and been licensed before)
I've worked for an employer that didn't require us to carry, but allowed and encouraged it as a theft deterrent (open carry in a LE supply store). We had no armed security duties assigned, either written or verbal. It was understood that the gun was for our self-defense and therefore didn't require an armed guard license (I've had CLEET I-IV and been licensed before)
It can be reasonably argued that the Ninth Amendment protects the property rights of a private entity to restrict enumerated rights.
For some reason I thought it was restricted to your PI/Armed Guard employment
Yes, you must be employed as an Armed Guard for either your employer or a security firm.
That's where the (often times dreaded) "any other assigned duties" clause in a job description comes in handy for the employer.
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