Dad takes pistol to his kids school.

[WessonOil]

Out of curiosity, why?

@toehanus

Myself, I think it should be carried concealed in a school.

If we truly are wanting to arm teachers I don't think we should add to their responsibility by having people wandering about the halls with a pistol in plain sight.

While the guy in the video may not fit the typical profile of a school shooter, suppose a 22 year old man (so far they've been male) wants to pull the same stunt?

However, he dresses all in black, long coat, maybe dyes his hair red, and carries a "menacing looking Glock with a 30 round mag" sticking out.

However, he has a spotless record, can carry legally, and when stopped due to his appearance, he now posts a Youtube video showing how teachers "profiled" him.

Now, Mr. or Mrs. Teacher, who went to college just to want to teach kids, gets his/hers name in the paper for stopping this person, or perhaps even drawing on them.

THAT is why I think Mr. Attention Whore in this video is wrong for encouraging everyone to open carry in a school.

 

[tRidiot]

Myself, I think it should be carried concealed in a school.

If we truly are wanting to arm teachers I don't think we should add to their responsibility by having people wandering about the halls with a pistol in plain sight.

While the guy in the video may not fit the typical profile of a school shooter, suppose a 22 year old man (so far they've been male) wants to pull the same stunt?

However, he dresses all in black, long coat, maybe dyes his hair red, and carries a "menacing looking Glock with a 30 round mag" sticking out.

However, he has a spotless record, can carry legally, and when stopped due to his appearance, he now posts a Youtube video showing how teachers "profiled" him.

Now, Mr. or Mrs. Teacher, who went to college just to want to teach kids, gets his/hers name in the paper for stopping this person, or perhaps even drawing on them.

THAT is why I think Mr. Attention Whore in this video is wrong for encouraging everyone to open carry in a school.

Interesting....

I often wear baggy cargo-style shorts or pants, often dress in mostly dark colors, a lot of black and gray. I have a shaved head and a beard. I wear gold hoop earrings in both ears. I have many tattoos, including and extremely colorful one that completely covers my upper arm to the elbow and extends down my forearm as well. In fact, I get a lot of comments about my "biker" appearance and am often asked what kind of bike I ride, etc. Especially when I wear my leather jacket. Oh, and if it is not dark out, I ALWAYS have my dark sunglasses on, as my eyes are fairly light-sensitive. Even if it is overcast, to keep blowing wind out of my eyes, since it dries out my contact lenses. lol

I also open carry either a Springfield or Para Ordnance 1911 on my right hip frequently.

In fact, judging by your post, I would think I am exactly the kind of person whom many people might find "scary" and are leery of, especially when I am carrying a gun.


However, I also have a spotless record, am licensed to carry legally and am generally well-mannered and polite to most people I meet, I think. I also have passed a similar check to the OSBI one from the DEA and the Oklahoma Bureau of Narcotics and Dangerous Drugs. I am licensed in the State of Oklahoma to practice medicine and prescribe controlled substances. And carry a gun.

Stereotypes... should we cater to them, or work to educate people and remove irrational fears through responsible and non-confrontational exercising of our God-given, State-recognized rights?

Just curious...

 

[ripnbst]

The reason he contacted everyone and their brother first is so that in the event of a "man in the school with a gun" call he wouldn't end up dead. Which apparently didn't even happen.

I don't think his experiment was flawed or bad at all. I applaud the man. He proved his point very well. Kids don't throw themselves into a panic if they see a gun, most are probably too distracted by friends and getting to their next class to notice it anyway.

The teachers didn't seem to throw a fit either however I think a good point was made above. Teachers generally stay in their class rooms during the day and are not typically wandering the halls. They may step to their door and observe the hall between classes but it's unlikely. They are more likely to be answering questions, or just chit chatting with students, or clearing the black/white board and preparing for the next class.

What I do question is how he was able to carry legally there. Why didn't the police say when he called them "Sir, if you do that you will be arrested on sight."? I'd wager that a majority here active on the board are legally able to carry, but schools are still off limits and "gun free zones" regardless of CCW permit.

What I fear from this video is others will try to do it and attempt the same "demonstration" without knowing their local laws and they'll be thrown in the slammer for doing so. Hopefully they make the same courtesy calls this fella did and when he makes the call the LEO will say what I mentioned above and explain that their local laws differ.

 

[toehanus]

When my wife and I were first married I told her how to easily identify I a person with a gun was good or bad.

If they have their gun in a holster, they're a good guy. The nicer the holster, the higher the likelihood they're in my side. Gangsters stuff pistols in their wasteband (intentionally spelled that way)

If their gun is in their hand, of they are shooting the same direction I am, they're a good gun.

Different rules for LEO.

@toehanus

 

[Commander Keen]

Meh. I'm not a fan of conflict baiting. I'm especially not a fan of "proving points" like these with kids around. Go convince a few thousand people to think the same as you and then take everyone to the polls and vote.

It doesn't seem to me that he was "conflict baiting" at all. He was doing it to show that there would be no conflict or crisis.

 

[mons meg]

The reason he contacted everyone and their brother first is so that in the event of a "man in the school with a gun" call he wouldn't end up dead. Which apparently didn't even happen.

I don't think his experiment was flawed or bad at all. I applaud the man. He proved his point very well. Kids don't throw themselves into a panic if they see a gun, most are probably too distracted by friends and getting to their next class to notice it anyway.

The teachers didn't seem to throw a fit either however I think a good point was made above. Teachers generally stay in their class rooms during the day and are not typically wandering the halls. They may step to their door and observe the hall between classes but it's unlikely. They are more likely to be answering questions, or just chit chatting with students, or clearing the black/white board and preparing for the next class.

What I do question is how he was able to carry legally there. Why didn't the police say when he called them "Sir, if you do that you will be arrested on sight."? I'd wager that a majority here active on the board are legally able to carry, but schools are still off limits and "gun free zones" regardless of CCW permit.

What I fear from this video is others will try to do it and attempt the same "demonstration" without knowing their local laws and they'll be thrown in the slammer for doing so. Hopefully they make the same courtesy calls this fella did and when he makes the call the LEO will say what I mentioned above and explain that their local laws differ.

Agree completely. his experiment was to gauge the KID'S reaction without cops swarming in from a MWAG call. I checked Michigan's state code, so I'm not sure how this was legal, either at this point.

28.425o Premises on which carrying concealed weapon or portable device that uses electro-muscular disruption technology prohibited; “premises” defined; exceptions to subsections (1) and (2); violation; penalties.

Sec. 5o.

(1) Subject to subsection (5), an individual licensed under this act to carry a concealed pistol, or who is exempt from licensure under section 12a(1)(f), shall not carry a concealed pistol on the premises of any of the following:

(a) A school or school property except that a parent or legal guardian of a student of the school is not precluded from carrying a concealed pistol while in a vehicle on school property, if he or she is dropping the student off at the school or picking up the child from the school. As used in this section, "school" and "school property" mean those terms as defined in section 237a of the Michigan penal code, 1931 PA 328, MCL 750.237a.

Edit: What it MIGHT be is that open carry is not specifically restricted. State law only refers to concealed pistols.

Edited edit: It seems this is a "loophole" favorable to OC in Michigan. If you have a CCW permit, the "no carry" list doesn't apply to you WHILE OC.

Strange, but true.

 

[loudshirt]

Agree completely. his experiment was to gauge the KID'S reaction without cops swarming in from a MWAG call. I checked Michigan's state code, so I'm not sure how this was legal, either at this point.

Most kids wont react, the ones that do will generally want to see the gun because they think it is cool. In many school situations kids take cues from adults. If adults are freaking out the kids will, many times if adults remain calm kids remain calm.

 

[WessonOil]

Interesting....

I often wear baggy cargo-style shorts or pants, often dress in mostly dark colors, a lot of black and gray. I have a shaved head and a beard. I wear gold hoop earrings in both ears. I have many tattoos, including and extremely colorful one that completely covers my upper arm to the elbow and extends down my forearm as well. In fact, I get a lot of comments about my "biker" appearance and am often asked what kind of bike I ride, etc. Especially when I wear my leather jacket. Oh, and if it is not dark out, I ALWAYS have my dark sunglasses on, as my eyes are fairly light-sensitive. Even if it is overcast, to keep blowing wind out of my eyes, since it dries out my contact lenses. lol

I also open carry either a Springfield or Para Ordnance 1911 on my right hip frequently.

In fact, judging by your post, I would think I am exactly the kind of person whom many people might find "scary" and are leery of, especially when I am carrying a gun.


However, I also have a spotless record, am licensed to carry legally and am generally well-mannered and polite to most people I meet, I think. I also have passed a similar check to the OSBI one from the DEA and the Oklahoma Bureau of Narcotics and Dangerous Drugs. I am licensed in the State of Oklahoma to practice medicine and prescribe controlled substances. And carry a gun.

Stereotypes... should we cater to them, or work to educate people and remove irrational fears through responsible and non-confrontational exercising of our God-given, State-recognized rights?

Just curious...

Your dress, age, and appearance doesn't fit the profile of a typical shooter who has been targeting schools and theaters, and I wouldn't give you a second glance.

Aside from the tattoos and earrings, you and I don't dress that much apart sometimes.

People who have been performing theese shooting with all the publicity are in teens and twenties.