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[T. MIKE SMITH]

I am not arguing Catholic vs Protestant. I'm saying Jesus taught something. Freemasonry promotes something else.

keep passing that judgment - I'm sure it will work for you

 

[CoronaBorealis]

His Word tells me that once I make this choice to be allowed in His presence, that no Man or Enemy can take it away. He has never Lost One Spirit after they make the choice. If they deny the Choice they will never be allowed in His presence, they will however live in a place of torment, separated for eternity from God.

keep passing that judgment - I'm sure it will work for you

What do you to say to @Hooper , @T. MIKE SMITH ?

Or does the accusation of “passing judgment” only apply to those who disagree with you?

 

[T. MIKE SMITH]

What do you to say to @Hooper , @T. MIKE SMITH ?

Or does the accusation of “passing judgment” only apply to those who disagree with you?

it only applies to those who are doing that- you're telling me I'm going to hell for being a Mason- I'm telling you that's a judgment- I'm also a converted Catholic, but was a Mason first- there is good in both, but the idea that the Catholic way is the only way, I don't agree with. And yes, I get everyone's sick of it- so I'm done.

 

[CoronaBorealis]

it only applies to those who are doing that- you're telling me I'm going to hell for being a Mason- I'm telling you that's a judgment- I'm also a converted Catholic, but was a Mason first- there is good in both, but the idea that the Catholic way is the only way, I don't agree with. And yes, I get everyone's sick of it- so I'm done.

You’re a converted Catholic, which I’m taking to mean you are Catholic (unless you meant you converted away from Catholicism). As a self-proclaimed Catholic, you should know Pope Clement XII forbade Catholics from joining Freemasonry in 1738 under pain of excommunication. Even John Paul II declared in 1983 that Catholics enrolled in Masonic associations are in a state of grave sin.

You disregard elements of your own religion in favor of those of Freemasonry. This just proves my point that they are irreconcilable.

 

[OldDad]

This thread somehow reminds me of Glocktalk

 

[Hooper]

I just want to say one more thing

I appreciate every ones input no the matter, no matter what side they may be choosing.

The main reason I feel this way is that a lot of times when you get to meet people in person and a subject comes up, and you state your belief in that matter, they will lie like hell to you by agreeing and stuff, then go behind your back and talk crap.

Everyone hear seams to be stating their opinion without trying to lie or deceive each other. I have read what might be considered a *** or two at each other. Hey that's kind of unfortunate, but when Men who are compassionate about there beliefs, are going to have strong opinions because they live by them. They also do not seem like troll statements of just trying to punch each others buttons to stir trouble.

So I Thank You Gentlemen for sharing your thoughts and beliefs.

I also see that All sides believe in God I do believe and they are Afraid of what may happen if they made a choice against God.

So I am going to leave with some verse from the Holy Bible.

Proverbs 9:10-12 New King James Version (NKJV)​

“The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom, And the knowledge of the Holy One is understanding. For by me your days will be multiplied, And years of life will be added to you. If you are wise, you are wise for yourself, And if you scoff, you will bear it alone.”

 

[TerryMiller]

I have to keep reminding myself (if no one else) that neither I nor Christians in the past will be judging in the end. That will be God, and He might not like what "judgers" have decided. That is what Matthew 7 is kind of about when it speaks of judging.

 

[Lightsluvr]

All that you are asked is to believe in a God and to leave it and politics at the door when you come to a meeting , if we were running the world we would have done a better job at it . Or do you believe the founding fathers had it wrong when they set up the country ?

Many of the "founding fathers" were Masons, including George Washington.

 

[Hipshot]

You’re a converted Catholic, which I’m taking to mean you are Catholic (unless you meant you converted away from Catholicism). As a self-proclaimed Catholic, you should know Pope Clement XII forbade Catholics from joining Freemasonry in 1738 under pain of excommunication. Even John Paul II declared in 1983 that Catholics enrolled in Masonic associations are in a state of grave sin.

You disregard elements of your own religion in favor of those of Freemasonry. This just proves my point that they are irreconcilable.

I was going to refrain from posting anymore but I guess I just woke up in a mood to put my .02 cents in instead, You keep talking about religion here and as Masons we leave religion and politics at the door and do our work from the heart, you don’t have to believe in the same God I know is real but you have to believe in a higher power, So… you can be a Buddhist, Jewish, Muslim, Christian or any religion just as long as you believe and aren’t an atheist or satanist ( satanist might qualify as a higher power to some but no lodge would vote you in if you were).

 

[CoronaBorealis]

I was going to refrain from posting anymore but I guess I just woke up in a mood to put my .02 cents in instead, You keep talking about religion here and as Masons we leave religion and politics at the door and do our work from the heart, you don’t have to believe in the same God I know is real but you have to believe in a higher power, So… you can be a Buddhist, Jewish, Muslim, Christian or any religion just as long as you believe and aren’t an atheist or satanist ( satanist might qualify as a higher power to some but no lodge would vote you in if you were).

Yet, by requiring belief in a higher power as part of membership, you don’t leave religion at the door.

I’m truly not arguing for arguments sake, but none of the statements that have been laid out here in favor of Freemasonry make sense.

1. Freemasonry isn’t a religion - yet you have to believe in a higher power, it has rituals and a framework of knowledge, it has temples, and there are even Masonic cemeteries and funeral rights. That sounds like a religion to me.

2. Its possible to be a Freemason and a Christian - yet Jesus Christ taught that “I am the Way and the Truth..”, and He created One Church, but Freemasonry teaches all religions are equally good.

3. Freemasonry is just a fraternal organization seeking to do good — yet you have to join to learn more about it. Why so much emphasis on trusting another Mason, if the only objective is self improvement and doing good in the world?

My problem is not with any one individual on this forum. I’m sure you are all decent people, even if I believe you are in self denial regarding Freemasonry. My problem is with the organization as a whole. I do believe it is fundamentally anti-Christian.