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Thanks. At least your explanation explains most of what was confusing me. I appreciate a more detailed description of what all that language meant. Not being one to be involved with such matters as stock and stock options, etc, a lot of the terminology in that press release just made things worse.
I don't claim to be an expert (my dad told me that word comes from "ex" as in "old" and "spurt" as in "drip under pressure" ;) ) on those matters, but I was involved in some lively and interesting debates on the bailout back when it was first being discussed. It was a good excuse to get some learnin' done.
While Chrysler may not be indebted to the government any more, they still fell short of obligations, unlike the situation when Lee Iacocca headed the company in that earlier loan bailout. If I remember correctly, under his leadership, they made a full repayment.
The market was a lot different then, so all they needed were loans; the Feds didn't take an ownership position. At the time of the bailout, Chrysler had been circling the bowl for years, and had no future as an independent company, so their position was much weaker than it was in Iacocca's time. (I also think Iacocca knew a LOT more about leadership than anyone in power at Chrysler, Cerberus Capital, or Daimler-Benz, and wouldn't have allowed things to go as far as they did.)

Personally, I think Mitt Romney was correct--they should have gotten gov't-backed financing and gone through a normal bankruptcy process, which wouldn't have left the Treasury (read "us") taking a loss on the deal. There are many who claim that wasn't an option because the credit markets were frozen, but we saw banks taking TARP funds they neither needed nor wanted because they felt pressured into doing so to pass the then-upcoming Federal "stress tests"--are you really going to tell me that they couldn't have been pressured into backing Chrysler and GM in a pre-packaged bankruptcy deal?
 

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No no you don't.

My 6.0 with the super econo tune will eek out 23 with eggs under the pedal. Few dmax trucks see 20+ even the old heavy half 6.2 trucks were lucky to get 25.

Either your math is off or the truck is lying to you.



I can leave my house and drive to OKC and back which is roughly 540 to 550 miles. When I get back home it takes from 20 to 21 gallons to fill up my 07. If you can quit calling someone a liar long enough to do the math on your own do it or shut up. I just made this trip a month ago.
 

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I don't claim to be an expert (my dad told me that word comes from "ex" as in "old" and "spurt" as in "drip under pressure" ;) ) on those matters, but I was involved in some lively and interesting debates on the bailout back when it was first being discussed. It was a good excuse to get some learnin' done.

The market was a lot different then, so all they needed were loans; the Feds didn't take an ownership position. At the time of the bailout, Chrysler had been circling the bowl for years, and had no future as an independent company, so their position was much weaker than it was in Iacocca's time. (I also think Iacocca knew a LOT more about leadership than anyone in power at Chrysler, Cerberus Capital, or Daimler-Benz, and wouldn't have allowed things to go as far as they did.)

Personally, I think Mitt Romney was correct--they should have gotten gov't-backed financing and gone through a normal bankruptcy process, which wouldn't have left the Treasury (read "us") taking a loss on the deal. There are many who claim that wasn't an option because the credit markets were frozen, but we saw banks taking TARP funds they neither needed nor wanted because they felt pressured into doing so to pass the then-upcoming Federal "stress tests"--are you really going to tell me that they couldn't have been pressured into backing Chrysler and GM in a pre-packaged bankruptcy deal?

Huh....fancy that. We both agree on the nonsense that happened.
 

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I can leave my house and drive to OKC and back which is roughly 540 to 550 miles. When I get back home it takes from 20 to 21 gallons to fill up my 07. If you can quit calling someone a liar long enough to do the math on your own do it or shut up. I just made this trip a month ago.


Okie dokie

Please take that truck to chevy and let them once it over so they can figure out how to get 5-7 mpg more out of every other duramax they have ever made.

Heres a list of people who don't get near that much.

http://www.duramaxforum.com/forum/07-5-2010-lmm-performance-parts-discussion/83682-best-mpg.html
http://www.ifish.net/board/showthread.php?t=211377
http://www.thumpertalk.com/topic/788886-duramax-lbz-fuel-mileage-mpg/
http://grassrootsmotorsports.com/fo.../duramax-fuel-mileage-real-world/45288/page1/

There are thousands of people all over the internet and I have yet to see anyone claim more than 23mpg. Especially with LBZ most with the LBZ are getting under 20mpg If you want good mileage you want an LB7 yea your going to give up some power but the LB7 does honestly get much better mileage than the newer dmax trucks. I don't see any out there with a 3/4 or 1 ton truck getting the numbers your claiming.


Your doing your calculation wrong but don't let me tell you different, I'm not very good with diesel engines...:uhh:
 

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Is Okc downhill all the way from your house? Thats the only way u would get 26!! Nice try!
I can leave my house and drive to OKC and back which is roughly 540 to 550 miles. When I get back home it takes from 20 to 21 gallons to fill up my 07. If you can quit calling someone a liar long enough to do the math on your own do it or shut up. I just made this trip a month ago.
 

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Okie dokie

Please take that truck to chevy and let them once it over so they can figure out how to get 5-7 mpg more out of every other duramax they have ever made.

Heres a list of people who don't get near that much.

http://www.duramaxforum.com/forum/07-5-2010-lmm-performance-parts-discussion/83682-best-mpg.html
http://www.ifish.net/board/showthread.php?t=211377
http://www.thumpertalk.com/topic/788886-duramax-lbz-fuel-mileage-mpg/
http://grassrootsmotorsports.com/fo.../duramax-fuel-mileage-real-world/45288/page1/

There are thousands of people all over the internet and I have yet to see anyone claim more than 23mpg. Especially with LBZ most with the LBZ are getting under 20mpg If you want good mileage you want an LB7 yea your going to give up some power but the LB7 does honestly get much better mileage than the newer dmax trucks. I don't see any out there with a 3/4 or 1 ton truck getting the numbers your claiming.


Your doing your calculation wrong but don't let me tell you different, I'm not very good with diesel engines...:uhh:


This truck was getting 20 from day one. After I bought the Bully Dog the guy who sold it to me told me he has seen trucks from previous customers get 24 to 26 after the install. Maybe the calculator I am using came from eastern Oklahoma and is just plain dumber than F**K. I am sorry that you are having a hard time believing this but I have filled it up several times over the past 6 years and 180,000 miles so if you don't believe it than tough ****. We have a contractor out here doing work for us that has one getting 16 to 18 pulling his backhoe and trailer.
 

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The guy that you bought it from? What did you think he was gonna tell you? I got some ocean front property for sale if your interested?
This truck was getting 20 from day one. After I bought the Bully Dog the guy who sold it to me told me he has seen trucks from previous customers get 24 to 26 after the install. Maybe the calculator I am using came from eastern Oklahoma and is just plain dumber than F**K. I am sorry that you are having a hard time believing this but I have filled it up several times over the past 6 years and 180,000 miles so if you don't believe it than tough ****. We have a contractor out here doing work for us that has one getting 16 to 18 pulling his backhoe and trailer.
 

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It's his truck, seems he'd know better then you guys what it gets
Everyone chill a little and change the subject. We're all friends here
 

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