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tran

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You continue to prove exactly why Obama won!

Don't you get that your intolerance and quite frankly, bigotry, turn off millions and millions of people?

As for abortion, where are your plans to care for these millions of children should they be born? Or is your idea simply they should be born like sea turtles and those who fail to survive were simply the cost of natural selection?

As for gays, I have known some that disgusted me, but I have known many more straight people who disgusted me. In America, a land of FREEDOM, who am I and who are you to say what two consenting adults may do? It used to be illegal to get oral sex from your wife? How many of you fine moral zealots obeyed that law?

I have NEVER "favored" illegal immigration. What I have consistently said is that we 1). shut down the border and 2). mainstream the people who are already here. Many of these people have US citizen spouses and children whom have rights as AMERICANS.n You have absolutely NO right to destroy their families and perhaps drive these families to social entitlements thus creating the very problem you are purporting to solve.

It's mean spirited people like you that have caused the Republican party to lose. I sure hope you are not a minister. With your attitude Satan would give you a special award for turning people away from Christ.

All I have to say is WELCOME aboard!
 

jsl_pt

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I'm still registered republican, though have been meaning to officially make the switch to ind. because I don't like the compromises the repubs are doing either (patriot act, NDAA, and now some repubs even compromising on gun rights. No one in DC is looking out for any of us.


JB, will you still be running the camps?
 

farmerbyron

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You guys who think you can be socially liberal while at the same time being fiscally conservative would have gotten along great with Marie Antoinette - and we all know how she ended up - or maybe not. Those who don't see the paradox in trying to be both at the same time have hearts bigger than their brains.


The libertarian party platform proves otherwise. The two go quite well together and fits the definition of classic liberalism. Which is what Jefferson and most of the founding fathers considered themselves.

http://www.ncpa.org/pub/what-is-classical-liberalism

Prior to the 20th century, classical liberalism was the dominant political philosophy in the United States. It was the political philosophy of Thomas Jefferson and the signers of the Declaration of Independence and it permeates the Declaration of Independence, the Constitution, the Federalist Papers and many other documents produced by the people who created the American system of government. Many of the emancipationists who opposed slavery were essentially classical liberals, as were the suffragettes, who fought for equal rights for women.

Basically, classical liberalism is the belief in liberty. Even today, one of the clearest statements of this philosophy is found in Jefferson's Declaration of Independence. At that time, as is the case today, most people believed that rights came from government. People thought they only had such rights as government elected to give them. But following the British philosopher John Locke, Jefferson argued that it's the other way around. People have rights apart from government, as part of their nature. Further, people can form governments and dissolve them. The only legitimate purpose of government is to protect these rights.

People who call themselves classical liberals today tend to have the basic view of rights and role of government that Jefferson and his contemporaries had. Moreover, they do not tend to make any important distinction between economic liberties and civil liberties.


You seem to be stuck on the idea that civil liberties = economic liberties. Just because I may not oppose gay marriage or am not xenophobic, does not mean that I believe in redistribution of wealth or reparations for slavery.

The live and let die social policy and limited govt. policy go quite well together especially considering that these ideals are what this country was founded upon.
 

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After the first of the year, I am registering as a Republican. I do not agree with them on tort reform or immigration, and I am still socially liberal, but I cannot and will not support a political party that wants to neuter my rights as an American. I'll continue to argue for access to the court house and for social justice, but I will also fight for our rights to be free men. I cannot do that in the Democratic Party.

Good luck. Maybe someday you'll be in my camp... autarchism. :)
 

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