Interesting situation for homeowner...thoughts?

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Basically, a fleeing burglar was shot at by home owner. Homeowner arrested for reckless endangerment. I really think as much as I would like to be able to thwart an attempt like this...he should not have shot at a fleeing vehicle....sucky deal, but i think homeowner was wrong...what says OSA?


SALT LAKE CITY – Residents in a northern Utah city are coming to the defense of a man who was arrested and faces charges for shooting at burglars as they drove away from his property.
Layton police arrested Clare Niederhauser, 64, last week after he fired one shot at a car and another at a fleeing burglar, said Layton Police Lt. Shawn Horton. He was arrested on suspicion of two counts of reckless endangerment.
The shots were unlawful because the burglar had dropped a crowbar and was fleeing the property, said Horton, who added that the shots could have endangered somebody's life.
"There is a responsibility of owning a gun: you need to know when you can lawfully use your weapon," Horton said. "You're not authorized to shoot a firearm at a car just because you don't want it to get away, or to scare them, or disable a tire."
Layton police said they also have arrested the man suspected of burglarizing the house, Robert Santos Cruz, 47. Investigators are searching for a woman who drove the car that was leaving the driveway when Niederhauser shot at it.
Niederhauser, a concealed weapons permit holder who used a .357 caliber handgun, didn't immediately return phone messages from The Associated Press. He told detectives that he aimed to shoot the tire of a car leaving the driveway and later to scare Santos Cruz as he ran away. Niederhauser came home to find a car in his driveway and Santos Cruz leaving his house holding a crowbar, Horton said.
Niederhauser's supporters said he is being unfairly punished for protecting his home. They said the arrest sets a precedence that homeowners can't protect themselves and have launched a blog urging people to call police to complain and contribute to a legal aid fund.
The blog supporting Niederhauser says at the top, "Support Clare Niederhauser. A good man did the right thing."
"He tried to act in a way that is responsible and compassionate and keep his head about him," said Loran Hubbard, 53, of Layton. "We have the right to defend ourselves when we are confronted with a lethal weapon. If a big crowbar isn't a lethal weapon, I haven't seen one."
There had been two other burglaries in the neighborhood in the past three months that had Niederhauser on high alert, said neighbor Teuvo Jones. The shot he fired at Santos Cruz was a warning shot near a hollow, Jones said.
"You would have to have all the laws of physics changed to make that a danger to anyone," said Jones, basing his assessment on Niederhauser's account. "It was far from reckless."
The Layton City Attorney's office is working with Niederhauser's attorney to reach a plea deal, said assistant city attorney Steve Garside. The agreement will likely be made official on Tuesday when Niederhauser makes his first court appearance.
Niederhauser's attorney, Mitch Vilos, confirmed that a plea agreement is in the works but declined to discuss specifics. He said he and Niederhauser will speak to the media after the Tuesday afternoon court appearance.
Layton is a city with about 68,500 people located about 20 miles north of Salt Lake City.
Clark Aposhian, a firearms instructor and chairman of the Utah Shooting Sports Council, has been following the case closely and believes the arrest was appropriate.
"I can understand the guy getting caught up in the moment, but he's got some explaining to do," said Aposhian. "It's not that he was shooting at the person necessarily, but the reckless endangerment is because he fired his gun when the rounds could have gun anywhere."


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Right and legal are 2 different things.

IMHO if you break into MY house and take MY stuff and you are still on MY property then I should have the right deal with you how I see fit. That's the way things should be but they aren't what he did was not legal nor would it be legal in OK. It seems that thievery has has become an accepted profession in today's society.
 
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Maybe he could say i see them do it on cop shows all the time..
But i think he is in deep DOO DOO
I would not do that......... unless...... i had a big acreage and could take them all out ..
feed them to the hogs..that ain't right is it.....specially if you plan to eat the hogs:scratch:
 

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I know under the current law he was in the wrong. But, I think that if someone else initiates the chain of event that leads to a shooting the that person should be held responsible for the shooting, not the shooter. Similar to what we already do with felony murder.
 

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My personal opinion is that if a victim is put in danger by an attacker, the victim should be able to fight/shoot back with ANY level of force and continue firing until the victim decides to stop. If you put me in mortal danger by your threats, I get to decide how to deal with you.

Unfortunately, laws don't support that. Attackers have the district attorney on their side when they decide to stop the adventure and run.
 

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Although you may feel different at the time, it is probably best to only shoot within your home. If the person is fleeing, then I would call the police & give a description of the crook & car.
 

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