DeMolay Oklahoma info

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[T. MIKE SMITH]

Now that we have whooped this old horse past death- I hope folks can believe that there are some people around who are willing to give time and money to something that helps their local food bank or the local high school band or on a larger scale, funds hospitals and clinics at no cost, to many children every day. I am not going to judge on the kind of religion you practice or how you live your life, that's not my place. I will say if you think that whatever it is you believe in it the absolute only way to salvation--- you are very sadly mistaken. I hear a lot of folks all the time, that want you to believe, what they believe is the only way, but they in no way act or practice even what they want to cram down my throat. I believe that when Christ told his Disciples, when they complained that people other than them were preaching and baptizing, and they thought they should be the only ones who could do that, Christ said, whoever is with us, is not against us. Just call me crazy but that tells me, if you're doing good and practicing what God, through the name of Christ, asked us to do, you are as strong as the Pope in your journey to heaven. Masons are not some secret societies looking to take over the world. Do we have a few things you have to be a member to know? Yes! Why? If I can't trust you with even a simple secret, why would I trust you at all? It has a lot more to do with your integrity, not anything secret. We are not a religion and don't care if you do or do not have or practice a religion, only that you believe in God. We do have theories on how one might improve their life, but no one is forced into anything. Like religion or phycology or education, or a whole lot of things that might help form opinions, it is up to you what kind of person you want to be. No religion or organization can change anyone, you have to do that. Most of the stuff I've heard here on this subject reminds of a bunch of old farts who meet up at the bar about noon to shoot the crap about everything known to man, but few have made any real study of anything to know what the hell they are talking about.

 

[T. MIKE SMITH]

Never made any sense to me but I was told back in the day that it had something to do with a "Goat" and riding one.....

Ya, I've heard that about every group on earth

 

[CoronaBorealis]

In your own words...

Masons are just people joined together in brotherhood that tries to do good in the world- period.

Masons are not some secret societies looking to take over the world. Do we have a few things you have to be a member to know? Yes! Why? If I can't trust you with even a simple secret, why would I trust you at all? It has a lot more to do with your integrity, not anything secret.

What does integrity and trust have to do with "doing good in the world"? If someone is holding a bake sale, do the two bakers have to share hidden knowledge with one another in order for the bake sale to raise money? "Mutual trust" and "doing good" are individually both very good ideals, but they are not mutually dependent.

If mutual trust is not necessary to "do good", what is the reason for such an exceptional need for mutual trust among Masons? Soldiers need it because they are going into battle and their lives depend on one another. It is possible that Masons just want to be cool and part of something exclusive -- but no one claims that.

Thousands of people buried with the Masonic square and compass chiseled into their headstones wanted Freemasonry to be the last thing people remember them by. You're telling me they were just really excited about doing volunteer work?

I frankly don't care what hidden knowledge Masons claim to have -- go back and read every one of my posts. I never asked what, just why. My point with all of this is to point out the ridiculousness of claiming it's simply a charitable organization when in fact it could be charitable without all the furtiveness associated with membership. It just does not make any sense at all to someone looking at it critically.

Over and over again, Our Lord emphasized that there is one Church, one way, and one fold. Whatever else you want to claim, it is indisputable that Freemasonry promotes religious indifferentism, which is completely antithetical to what Our Lord taught. All the cultish rituals, symbology, and secretiveness aside, that fact alone should keep any person who believes in Christ away from Freemasonry.

And I say to thee, thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my Church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. (Matthew 16:18)

Jesus said to him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father but through me.” (John 14:6)

And other sheep I have that are not of this fold. Them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice, and there shall be one fold and one shepherd. (John 10:16)

 

[T. MIKE SMITH]

In your own words...





What does integrity and trust have to do with "doing good in the world"? If someone is holding a bake sale, do the two bakers have to share hidden knowledge with one another in order for the bake sale to raise money? "Mutual trust" and "doing good" are individually both very good ideals, but they are not mutually dependent.

If mutual trust is not necessary to "do good", what is the reason for such an exceptional need for mutual trust among Masons? Soldiers need it because they are going into battle and their lives depend on one another. It is possible that Masons just want to be cool and part of something exclusive -- but no one claims that.

Thousands of people buried with the Masonic square and compass chiseled into their headstones wanted Freemasonry to be the last thing people remember them by. You're telling me they were just really excited about doing volunteer work?

I frankly don't care what hidden knowledge Masons claim to have -- go back and read every one of my posts. I never asked what, just why. My point with all of this is to point out the ridiculousness of claiming it's simply a charitable organization when in fact it could be charitable without all the furtiveness associated with membership. It just does not make any sense at all to someone looking at it critically.

Over and over again, Our Lord emphasized that there is one Church, one way, and one fold. Whatever else you want to claim, it is indisputable that Freemasonry promotes religious indifferentism, which is completely antithetical to what Our Lord taught. All the cultish rituals, symbology, and secretiveness aside, that fact alone should keep any person who believes in Christ away from Freemasonry.

And I say to thee, thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my Church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. (Matthew 16:18)

Jesus said to him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father but through me.” (John 14:6)

And other sheep I have that are not of this fold. Them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice, and there shall be one fold and one shepherd. (John 10:16)

and again, I hear it- if you don't believe what I believe- you're going to hell

 

[CoronaBorealis]

and again, I hear it- if you don't believe what I believe- you're going to hell

I am not arguing Catholic vs Protestant. I'm saying Jesus taught something. Freemasonry promotes something else.

 

[Firpo]

And back in the weeds we go again. “This feels like De Ja Vu all over again.”

 

[CoronaBorealis]

And back in the weeds we go again. “This feels like De Ja Vu all over again.”

Both of my teens have been invited to become members of the DeMolay International and Its all new to me. From what I can find is that its a youth group of the Masonic sect . I have one friend that spoke highly of the organization. Does anyone else have any imput before its open house in a week?

The OP asked for input. He deserves to hear alternative points of view. You all enjoy your weekend.