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Rez Exelon

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OK then where should the police draw the line in taking action ? OK for water bottles, and bricks but how about Molotov cocktails....that OK with you ? How about looters and people destroying property ? That OK with you too. I'd just like a list so I know when they should shoot the terrorist.

I like what you did there ---- you want to pull a narrative shift, and very cleverly tossed in the "terrorist" label. So I'll respond a couple ways:
1. Molotovs --- not good under any circumstance.
2. You'll note I didn't give a blanket green light to water bottles and bricks either. There was a very important distinction about having the right gear to handle that. If that is not in play the rules of engagement differ, although there should be a backend discussion about why it wouldn't be issued or available I suppose.
3. Property can be replaced, life cannot. While I'm sure the billionaires at Target will be hurt by the ransacking of the stores, I bet they'll get over the .001% shift in their bottom line more easily than we can breath life back into people that police murder. I think it's unfair especially if small business suffers, but again, property is just property. If I unilaterally condoned the damage I suppose I'd be out there participating, but I'm not. So looking from my office chair as I suppose many of us are, the picture is blurry I bet.
4. "Terrorists" - I like the use of the term. As I said, it was very cleaver of you. Because to label someone as such ignores all other realities about them, their situation, their concerns, the plight, their motivations, and puts them in a category where we say "bad person" and accept things like shooting them, waterboarding them, unending detention without trial, suspension of rights, etc. You don't use the term "Pissed off Americans", "Citizens fed up with the BS" or any number of ways to describe them. There are millions of people that could come to this very forum and look at these very posts of people salivating at the chance to shoot people and call all of us terrorists so that they could end the second amendment. How would you feel then? If they overlooked our arguments about the 2A and what it stands for?
 

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OK then where should the police draw the line in taking action ? OK for water bottles, and bricks but how about Molotov cocktails....that OK with you ? How about looters and people destroying property ? That OK with you too. I'd just like a list so I know when they should shoot the terrorist.

I didn't side with rioters or looters stealing and destroying property. I didn't support them attacking police officers. I also didn't support police officers playing aggressor and attacking those protesting. Just offering a friendly, non-emotional reminder that hyperbole isn't fact.
 
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Keep on keeping on. Let those voices be heard!

One of the "demands" to Tulsa mayor G.T. Bynum is a grocery store for North Tulsa. The grocery at Pine and Peoria has been opened several times, by several people. Those venturing into business there even get a federal incentive for starting a business in that area!

Why you think it not stay open, huh? Over-policing? White supremacists shut it down?
 

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4. "Terrorists" - I like the use of the term. As I said, it was very cleaver of you. Because to label someone as such ignores all other realities about them, their situation, their concerns, the plight, their motivations, and puts them in a category where we say "bad person" and accept things like shooting them, waterboarding them, unending detention without trial, suspension of rights, etc. You don't use the term "Pissed off Americans", "Citizens fed up with the BS" or any number of ways to describe them. There are millions of people that could come to this very forum and look at these very posts of people salivating at the chance to shoot people and call all of us terrorists so that they could end the second amendment. How would you feel then? If they overlooked our arguments about the 2A and what it stands for?

"Terrorist" - one who use terror tactics to achieve a political goal. Fits, I reckon.

Is that incorrect?
 

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Thanks for the reply.
I agree that some police are responding with more force than is needed, and even against policy (I don't know those details).
Of course de-escalation is always good.
I also think wanting to be heard doesn't give you the right to ignore lawful orders from police; to clear an area, respect a boundary.
If the police could accurately target the violent ones that would be the preferred method, but that's rarely possible.
Police wear riot gear not for the peaceful protesters, but for the violent ones. Police have a right to protect themselves too.

Regarding the video of the tall elderly man getting pushed and hurting his head in the fall; it looked like he was disobeying a lawful order to move, he approached the officers and it looked like he was poking around at the officers equipment belt. At that point the officer gave him a push, that didn't look like much of a push; just enough to say "get back, don't touch my stuff". I think a reasonable response.
If the man hadn't fallen it would be a non-event. It just so happens the man lost his footing and hit his head.

But the narrative is that the mean police pushed an old man protester for no reason and gave him a head injury.
Of course that's tragic, but stupid games and prizes, ya know.

A side discussion to this would be the whole question of legality to the protests for sure but I do have things to do today rather than typing LOL.

I would respectfully disagree with your interpretation of the video. I've watched the clip I posted on page two many times, and I see this:
Seconds 0-2 we can see the man is behind officers already, they come back and around him.
Seconds 2-6 we can see his hands visible and reaching for his cane for support until pushed over.
Seconds 6-9 we see two other offices (that hadn't pushed him over) go offer support.
Seconds 9-? they get him up while the pushers just stand there and probably look dumb.

In that I do not see him approaching the officers or reaching for their belts.
 

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"Terrorist" - one who use terror tactics to achieve a political goal. Fits, I reckon.

Is that incorrect?

Is the enshrined right to protest a terrorist tactic? I won't disagree that there are people out there actively seeking opportunity to spread chaos, but blanket terming everyone out there a terrorist is insane.

Like when ole Trumpy Dumpy wanted to take a photo op with and upside down and backwards Bible (I could only dream of this forums reaction had Obama done that) in front of a church he did not announce a visit to. The crowd that was there was peaceful until they got hit with tear gas and force so he could get that ridiculous picture. Were they terrorists because they were protesting?
 

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Keep on keeping on. Let those voices be heard!

One of the "demands" to Tulsa mayor G.T. Bynum is a grocery store for North Tulsa. The grocery at Pine and Peoria has been opened several times, by several people. Those venturing into business there even get a federal incentive for starting a business in that area!

Why you think it not stay open, huh? Over-policing? White supremacists shut it down?

Don't forget the one downtown that had to close due to theft.


Not a popular sentiment, but nothing will change until the black population changes their own culture. Blame everyone and praise their lowest denominators. Just like Candace Owens said. Well, that and white people need to stop trying to virtue signal so hard.
 

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