Last Day to take Ruger's Voice of the Customer Survey

[Raoul Duke]

https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/7L37GZV

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=699788330085625&set=a.160583267339470.40901.153053841425746&type=1&stream_ref=10

The three things I'd like to see Ruger do out of the choices they gave(some they didn't) on the survey are:

1.) Reintroduce the Charger as an SR model chambered in .22WMR. The SR Charger platform would resemble in function(monolithic receiver/integral rail) and appearance the defunct Zimmerman pistol, except that it would have a AR style rear charging handle, rear cleaning port/plug, auto bolt release, last shot hold open, SR-22 rifle flip up aperture open sights, 10" threaded target barrel and mini 14 style flash hider. A single point AR pistol style rear sling attachment would be included, but like the SR22 rifle the pistol buttstock and grip will be compatible with other AR components and will be pistol stabilizing brace compatible. It would come with a new production BX-25 for the .22 WMR cartridge(which would be awesome for folks who already have a RAR in .22WMR).

2.) A semi-auto rifle chambered in .357Mag/.44 Rem. Mag. Yes, please. (9mm, .40 S&W, .45 ACP, too!) Don't care if it's based off the action of a Deerfield, PC carbine, Mini or something completely new.

3.) A Mini chambered in .308 Win./7.62 x51 NATO that accepts AR10 magazines and redesigned Mini 14/30's that accept AR15/AK magazines(i.e pmags).

 

[skatalite]

My primary want is a 1911 Commander in 9mm.

 

[Werewolf]

Not a huge fan of Ruger and try to understand why so many are but after talking with their Chief Engineer 10 or so year ago who had no clue about geometric and positional tolerancing and how it would eliminate the tolerance stack issues they were having with cylinder throat diameter, forcing cone size and barrel rifling diameters on their 45LC Vaquero line I decided anytime anyone opened the door to calling the suckers out I'd take the opportunity.

 

[Johnny]

Not a huge fan of Ruger and try to understand why so many are but after talking with their Chief Engineer 10 or so year ago who had no clue about geometric and positional tolerancing and how it would eliminate the tolerance stack issues they were having with cylinder throat diameter, forcing cone size and barrel rifling diameters on their 45LC Vaquero line I decided anytime anyone opened the door to calling the suckers out I'd take the opportunity.

Are you a design engineer or quality engineer? I encounter engineers on a daily basis that don't understand GD&T much less what effect it will have on there product. Some don't even know what it is. I stop putting it on drawings because I got sick and tired of explaining to manufacturing and inspection personnel how to check to it. |i|

Not surprising someone in the firearms industry doesn't understand it. Most oil field places don't recognize it either. Automotive and aerospace it very prevelant.

Tht said. I am a huge ruger fan. I wish they would make a carbine in 9mm 40, 45 acp. That would kick ass.

 

[J.T.]

I'd like to see a mini in .308.

 

[Shadowrider]

Are you a design engineer or quality engineer? I encounter engineers on a daily basis that don't understand GD&T much less what effect it will have on there product. Some don't even know what it is. I stop putting it on drawings because I got sick and tired of explaining to manufacturing and inspection personnel how to check to it. |i|

Not surprising someone in the firearms industry doesn't understand it. Most oil field places don't recognize it either. Automotive and aerospace it very prevelant.

Tht said. I am a huge ruger fan. I wish they would make a carbine in 9mm 40, 45 acp. That would kick ass.

That's just sad. It's so logical and easy to understand. When I as at Baker Hughes they did a seminar and I guess it just clicked with me. But you are right, when I went into aerospace it was all over everything and some engineers got it some didn't. Especially frustrating was having to argue with ignorant quality inspectors that thougt the standard tolerancing in the tolerance block applied to GD&T basic dimensions.

 

[Johnny]

That's just sad. It's so logical and easy to understand. When I as at Baker Hughes they did a seminar and I guess it just clicked with me. But you are right, when I went into aerospace it was all over everything and some engineers got it some didn't. Especially frustrating was having to argue with ignorant quality inspectors that thougt the standard tolerancing in the tolerance block applied to GD&T basic dimensions.

Yeap. It is not hard to understand. I also explain it some one using shooting an arrow or bullet thru a round hole vs a square hole. Corners of the square intersect the circle. The closer to center you are horizontally the farther you can be off vertically and still not nick the edge of your hole and vise versa. It clicks for some people and some it doesn't. Right about the time they start to get it I throw Max and min material condiition into it and really screw them up.

You can't make people understand that it really gives you more tolerance. I have seen it miss used on so many ocassions by engineers also. I think some of the big companies send engineers thru GD&T classes then tell them that is how they have to tolerance everything. Then you see drawings with a +/-.010" on hole size with a .001" true position. Some
e of the medical companies like Bio Meriux and Smith and Nephews stuff was like that. Lockheade Martin had issues with it to.

 

[Mr.357Sig]

A Ruger pump scatter gun and lever gun would be sweet.

 

[okietool]

I like Rugers. I always have.
I'm not sure the Mini would take the beating a .308 would give it.
They did make a .44 mag semi-auto carbine. It looks just like the 10-22 only with a larger hole. If they chambered that same rifle in 357mag/41mag/ and maybe 38 and 41special, I would be in. I lost mine in the boating accident. I still mourn the loss.

I'd like to see them chamber the mini in 22-250 and .243.

22-250 is on of my absolute favorite rounds.

I also lost an almost new SR762 in the same boating accident. I kind of liked it too.

I'm not an engineer, I never played one on tv and I didn't stay in a Holiday Inn Express last night.

I want to pull the trigger, hear a bang and have a projectile hit something some where out in front of me.
I have yet to pick up a gun that won't shoot more accurately than I can.

 

[Werewolf]

Are you a design engineer or quality engineer? I encounter engineers on a daily basis that don't understand GD&T much less what effect it will have on there product. Some don't even know what it is. I stop putting it on drawings because I got sick and tired of explaining to manufacturing and inspection personnel how to check to it. |i|

Not surprising someone in the firearms industry doesn't understand it. Most oil field places don't recognize it either. Automotive and aerospace it very prevelant.

Tht said. I am a huge ruger fan. I wish they would make a carbine in 9mm 40, 45 acp. That would kick ass.

Used to run Quality Assurance Group for a Medical Equipment Manufacturer no longer in OKC. We espoused the benefits of said tolerancing to our vendors. There was a strong implication that if they didn't embrace the concept they wouldn't stay one of our vendors. Not one - not one single one who made the effort didn't make significant improvements in the quality of the products they made for us and all the rest of their customers too. Geometric and Dimensional tolerancing works. It'd work for the gun industry too if they'd stop living in the early 20th century and move into the 21st.