LEO and open carry

[pak-40]

VERY interesting read. It dispells many of the myths and hypotheticals being portrayed here by those AGAINST our rights to open carry.

http://www.davekopel.com/2A/LawRev/ShallIssue.htm#toc

 

[pak-40]

Seems like a lot of law enforcement on here are against open carry. An overiding theme that seems to be pevasive among those against open carry is the idea that civilans dont have enough training. Here is an interesting segment from the paper I posted a link to above. It seems to debunk that myth!

"Another study examined newspaper reports of gun incidents in Missouri, involving police or civilians. In this study, civilians were successful in wounding, driving off, capturing criminals 83% of the time, compared with a 68% success rate for the police. Civilians intervening in crime were slightly less likely to be wounded than were police. Only 2% of shootings by civilians, but 11% of shootings by police, involved an innocent person mistakenly thought to be a criminal. [145] "

 

[pak-40]

It also seems the fear that criminals will "take our guns" because we dont have enough "retention training" is a load of hooey too! This is also a little tidbit from the link I posted above.

"The most detailed information about civilian defensive gun use has been compiled by Professor Gary Kleck (a liberal Democrat, and member of the ACLU and Common Cause) in his book Point Blank: Guns and Violence in America. In 1992 the American Society of Criminology awarded the book the Hindelang Prize, as the most significant contribution to criminology in the previous three years. In Point Blank, Kleck studied computer tapes from the U.S. Department of Justice's National Crime Survey, for the years 1979-85. Analyzing the data from over 180,000 crime incidents in the National Crime Survey, as well from other studies, Kleck found the following:

- In no more than 1% of defensive gun uses was the gun taken away by a criminal.

- The odds of a defensive gun user accidentally killing an innocent person are less than 1 in 26,000.

- For robbery and assault victims, the lowest injury rates (17.4% for robberies, and 12.1% for assaults) were among victims who resisted with a gun."

 

[Jefpainthorse]

Ya know some foot stompers have overturned some pretty awful tyrants over the years....

They do teach History down this way don't they?

 

[Jefpainthorse]

Seems like a lot of law enforcement on here are against open carry. An overiding theme that seems to be pevasive among those against open carry is the idea that civilans dont have enough training. Here is an interesting segment from the paper I posted a link to above. It seems to debunk that myth!

"Another study examined newspaper reports of gun incidents in Missouri, involving police or civilians. In this study, civilians were successful in wounding, driving off, capturing criminals 83% of the time, compared with a 68% success rate for the police. Civilians intervening in crime were slightly less likely to be wounded than were police. Only 2% of shootings by civilians, but 11% of shootings by police, involved an innocent person mistakenly thought to be a criminal. [145] "

We dont need to rub that in too hard.... LEO's have a 70% miss rate when they have to shoot... based on statistics that have been bantered for a long time.

You know a good cop considers every unkown contact as probably armed, potentially dangerous... the good ones just act like they are not to worried about it. Seems like seeing a open gun is better than X ray vision. Game Wardens make most of their contacts with known armed people.... not much to see here- is there?

 

[reddog1]

You mean this thread aint closed yet.... Someone go get hooray... LMAO

IM KIDDING... RELAX

 

[Shootin 4 Fun]

I won't open carry, but I might start dragging GED with me everywhere I go.

 

[shooterdave]

I support it as a LEO.

 

[Toney]

I can't see open carry all the time, but it would be handy to strap your woods bumming pistol on and be able to stop for gas and a soda on your way to the field.

 

[dieseltech09]

Im not a Leo but Im an Aquarius and I support Open carry