Newbie to Muzzle... What Ammo? What powder?

[2busy]

I have used 70-80 GR of pyrodex pistol powder in all my black powder rifles. The fine grain has excellent ignition. I don't know about powder ring cause I don't need a second shot. I scrub everything with hot water and dawn soap then dry and lube with oil to prevent rust.

 

[JTIZZLE76]

Thank you everyone for the knowledge, keep it coming! I'm not the best responder, as it's very hard to respond consistently to everyone but I am soaking up all knowledge and reading every post.

I bought my CVA used, and the owner said he shot it 8 times with out cleaning it. YIKES! I NEVER WANNA GO THROUGH THAT AGAIN! A 6 pack and 2 hours later it cleaned up nicely.

What cleaning products do you recommend that helps break down powder residue etc?

I use(d) these items:

1. Hoppes 9 Black (solvent) - cleaned
2. rem oil (wipe down exterior)
3. Froglube CLP (firing pin assembly/barrel)

 

[JTIZZLE76]

What is a "crud ring"?
Is it a build up along the breach plug?

I couldn't blow through the primer ignition hole, nor damn near see through the barrel end of breach plug. Insane.

 

[swampratt]

The best way to clean a muzzloader is what @2busy stated.
Hot water and dawn soap.

My buddy was cleaning his the way he did for decades and it would take him hours to get it clean using Powder solvent made for muzzleloaders.

I went to his house as he was on his 40th patch with solvent and it was still coal black.

I removed his barrel and got some hot water and dawn soap and a bore mop on the cleaning rod and started pumping the water and soap and in 3 minutes it was clean.

Dry it and lube it done.

I submerge my barrel into the water primer end about 4" deep into it.
You can pour dawn down the barrel or add it to a mop or do mop and barrel and water.
Not critical.
It removes all the crud fast.

Rinse with hot water and then run some dry patches and oiled patches through it.
You can leave the nipple in it on a side lock durning the mop I end up pulling it out and hand cleaning it. Dry it also of course.

 

[swampratt]

Crud Ring is something you do not see but you do feel it.

Clean barrel first loading I dump the powder in and tamp the butt of the barrel on the top of my shoe to settle the loose powder.
Then insert bullet and slowly push it to seat firmly on top of the powder .
The bullet pushes evenly all the way down the barrel.

Make a mark on the ram rod or just remember how deep that rod is in the barrel when sitting on top of that bullet when the bullet is all the way seated.

Now after a couple shots and NO cleaning you may notice the ram rod pressure needs to be increased 2 fold to get the bullet all the way seated.

Maybe 4" to go until it is seated maybe 2" to go but it is very hard to push that bullet down all the way then all of the sudden it goes and is easy to push down now for the last 1" or so.

You just felt the Crud Ring keeping the bullet from seating all the way.

Some people may think the bullet is seated at the crud ring. That is a bad situation as black powder needs to be compressed. So make a mark on that ram rod.

 

[JTIZZLE76]

Hot and Soapy water. ️ Understood. Thank you! The videos I've watched have really stressed the indexing of Ram rod. I will make sure I do so. So the "crud ring" is fouling and BP residue build up in the rifling of barrel which is felt not seen when inserting and compressing pellets/loose powder as well as your sabot/bullet?

What does everyone use for anti-sieze on breach plug? I'm a Mechanic and have a BUNCH of little permatex high temp copper & regular hight temp anti-sieze packets. I thought those would come in handy in field during cleaning if need be. Is there a difference in firearm anti-sieze vs Automotive anti-sieze?

Do muzzleloaders have a "bullet preference"? My dad would always buy 3 or 4 boxes of different ammo to see what that gun/barrel liked... Are muzzys the same?

 

[dlbleak]

This thread prompted me to clock out, run to the house and grab my stuff and go shoot. I bought these bullets on clearance at Wally World last year. Figured I’d give them a shot. 2 50gr pyrodex pellets, standard CCI 209 and the Smackdowns from Traditions. I might take another shot but I’m pretty pleased with the cold bore shot at about 70 yards

 

[retrieverman]

This thread prompted me to clock out, run to the house and grab my stuff and go shoot. I bought these bullets on clearance at Wally World last year. Figured I’d give them a shot. 2 50gr pyrodex pellets, standard CCI 209 and the Smackdowns from Traditions. I might take another shot but I’m pretty pleased with the cold bore shot at about 70 yards
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Dang good shooting! I’d stop there and go hunting.

 

[dlbleak]

I’ve probably owned a dozen ML and this is the first one that wouldn’t shoot the XTP’s with acceptable accuracy. I went out a little further and the POI went up quite a bit. I can work with it though. Here’s two more shots

 

[bpshooter]

Thank you everyone for the knowledge, keep it coming! I'm not the best responder, as it's very hard to respond consistently to everyone but I am soaking up all knowledge and reading every post.

I bought my CVA used, and the owner said he shot it 8 times with out cleaning it. YIKES! I NEVER WANNA GO THROUGH THAT AGAIN! A 6 pack and 2 hours later it cleaned up nicely.

What cleaning products do you recommend that helps break down powder residue etc?

I use(d) these items:

1. Hoppes 9 Black (solvent) - cleaned
2. rem oil (wipe down exterior)
3. Froglube CLP (firing pin assembly/barrel)

Mix 2 parts 90% rubbing alcohol 2 parts peroxide 1 part Murphys oil soap. Dissolves all powder residue drop your breech plug in a small container comes out shiny new in a few mins. It really is amazing how it works