I think fenced hunting is stupid and silly.
Well, personally I think the popular method of deer hunting in OK and TX where you sit in an elevated box and shoot baited deer is deer shooting, not deer hunting. But I don't advocate banning a type of hunting just because I prefer something else!
High fenced hunts depend a lot on the hunting method used and the size of the fenced area involved. If you get drawn to hunt on the Wichita Wildlife refuge, you are in fact hunting a large high-fenced area.
Make no mistake, the anti-hunting crowd is feeding the propaganda machine about the evils of fenced hunting, and their untimate goal is to ban all hunting, one step at a time.
So if you drink the koolade and rant against the evils of "fenced hunting" be prepared for YOUR type of hunting to be targeted next!This same routine has already been done in some of the eastern states, so what used to be wildlife management areas are now parks.
High fenced hunts depend a lot on the hunting method used and the size of the fenced area involved. If you get drawn to hunt on the Wichita Wildlife refuge, you are in fact hunting a large high-fenced area.
Make no mistake, the anti-hunting crowd is feeding the propaganda machine about the evils of fenced hunting, and their untimate goal is to ban all hunting, one step at a time.
So if you drink the koolade and rant against the evils of "fenced hunting" be prepared for YOUR type of hunting to be targeted next!This same routine has already been done in some of the eastern states, so what used to be wildlife management areas are now parks.
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If it can't get away, then it's not fair chase. That said, I would never do it and have zero respect for those that do, take that back, I pity those that do, for there can be no pride or sense of accomplishment from shooting a caged animal, regardless of the size of the cage.
I've thought long and hard about the "we must all stick together because we're next" argument, and it's true to a point.
But like all oversimplified, catchy, one line arguments...it's not that simple, and falls apart under scrutiny.
What about the "electronic hunting" where people have tossed around the idea of shooting deer via the internet? You can't sell me on supporting these ********s we have nowadays, fence ops included. I'll stand alone, and fall alone if I have to.
Sorry, everybody is entitled to their opinion. I can't sell out my beliefs just because "we're all hunters". I think these guys are flaming toolsheds, I think fenced hunt ops are responsible for ecosystem damage, the spread of disease....and have accelerated the feral hog epidemic like adding kerosene to a fire. Among many other things, some less tangible but still have far reaching effects.
They don't represent me, and I refuse to stand with them. My type of hunting being targeted happens if it happens. Me refusing to support these guys is not going to be the straw that broke the camels back. If it is, so be it. I just can't endorse it.
If they unjustly outlaw hunting, I'd rather break that unjust law and remain true to what I think is right than support what I think is wrong just to have a louder voice. Flame away.
I'm not drinking any Koolaid. Just because they shoot animals too doesn't make them my brothers in arms. And hey, maybe it's their fault for giving the antis such great material to bash hunters with. Maybe we should be mad at them for tarnishing our image. I was always taught to project a good image of hunting, and dissociate with those who don't.
Leopold, Roosevelt, Pope, Young, Boone and Crockett are rolling in their graves.
But like all oversimplified, catchy, one line arguments...it's not that simple, and falls apart under scrutiny.
What about the "electronic hunting" where people have tossed around the idea of shooting deer via the internet? You can't sell me on supporting these ********s we have nowadays, fence ops included. I'll stand alone, and fall alone if I have to.
Sorry, everybody is entitled to their opinion. I can't sell out my beliefs just because "we're all hunters". I think these guys are flaming toolsheds, I think fenced hunt ops are responsible for ecosystem damage, the spread of disease....and have accelerated the feral hog epidemic like adding kerosene to a fire. Among many other things, some less tangible but still have far reaching effects.
They don't represent me, and I refuse to stand with them. My type of hunting being targeted happens if it happens. Me refusing to support these guys is not going to be the straw that broke the camels back. If it is, so be it. I just can't endorse it.
If they unjustly outlaw hunting, I'd rather break that unjust law and remain true to what I think is right than support what I think is wrong just to have a louder voice. Flame away.
I'm not drinking any Koolaid. Just because they shoot animals too doesn't make them my brothers in arms. And hey, maybe it's their fault for giving the antis such great material to bash hunters with. Maybe we should be mad at them for tarnishing our image. I was always taught to project a good image of hunting, and dissociate with those who don't.
Leopold, Roosevelt, Pope, Young, Boone and Crockett are rolling in their graves.
Let me clarify my position. I do not condone banning canned hunts. Property owners are free to do with their property as they please. God placed animals on this earth to be harvested by man.
So if some greedy landowner wants to stock his property with semi-domesticated game animals, so he can make a profit off a bunch of rich, fat, lazy slob "hunters" who couldn't otherwise make themselves feel brave and powerful by killing some defenseless caged animal then so be it. After all, we all need someone in this life we can look down upon. These a$$hats are an easier target for my disgust and contempt than the animals they slaughter!
So if some greedy landowner wants to stock his property with semi-domesticated game animals, so he can make a profit off a bunch of rich, fat, lazy slob "hunters" who couldn't otherwise make themselves feel brave and powerful by killing some defenseless caged animal then so be it. After all, we all need someone in this life we can look down upon. These a$$hats are an easier target for my disgust and contempt than the animals they slaughter!
You guys act like they're shooting deer in a 50 x 50 pen? Most Game farms that have a hunting program are several hundred to several thousand acres. How is that not fair chase? Its no different than hunting any where else. They have the fence to control the quality of thier animals. I see nothing wrong with it.
There's one SW of Bristow, go west on Gypsy rd to S465th w ave and south 2 miles or so, west into; I've only been out there twice to do some well work and the night pumper told me the big bucks cost $14K, the shot from the elevated blind to feed row is less than 100yrds
To each his own I suppose. I know that if I see a big buck one day where I hunt, there stands a chance that I may never see him again. But if he's locked inside a thousand acre high fenced pen, I know that I will get a chance at him sooner or later.
Many of these places do pen the animals in small areas. They are used to humans and do not associate them with danger. They're fed on a schedule and the animals will make a pass by the "hunter's" location on a nearly pre-determined schedule. They're like pretty cows that have been conditioned to do a predictable routine.
I have no problems with a ranch that leases to hunters. I have no problem with allowing hunters to give fair chase on true game animals that just happen to be located on a specific piece of property. So long as the animal has a fair chance to avoid or escape the hunter, then I still consider it hunting. But a canned hunt is none of those things.
If you're guaranteeing a hunter an animal, then you've obviously stacked the deck to the point it's not hunting, it's just shooting and killing. Let's not pretend it's something it's not.
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