NYC Cop shoots aggressive Pit bull...Graphic Warning!

[Glocktogo]

Sad deal. The dog should've been on the leash. Officer did the right thing.

As far as all "pit bull" comments - some pretty ignorant stuff. Pit bulls are medium sized breed of mild temper. You wanna see "dangerous" breeds? Most Americans have no clue what an aggressive large dog is capable of - look-up Caucasian Sheepdog, Russian Schnauzer, Akita, Bandoggo, Corso - those have strength and agility to take down dangerous game (not a 40lb dog as pitbulls were bread to do) and that handgun wouldn't do jack-**** to a charging 120lb+ dog.

I disagree. I'm a big fan of face shooting. Man or beast, if you shoot it in the face, it's probably going to leave you alone.

If you provoke something expect an action. Blue boy advanced on a dog protecting its master after having maced it. Pit bull? Mix? Wow. That dog looked Soooo scary. Already had a fellow say he would shoot a poodle. Officers supposedly are on sight to lend assistance but for over 5 or 6 minutes do exactly nothing but go into riot controle over upseting the crowd of by standers. I didnt see a dog biting anybody. Just a scared shitless fella that shot a dog.

The macho BS routine is getting pretty tiresome. You seem to think you're some sort of dog whisperer, and that's great. Do whatever you want the next time a scared, injured or pissed animal with fangs charges you. Just don't expect anyone else to agree with you, because statistics don't lie and neither do stitches or injury reports. Do us a favor. Go to this page and tell all these people that they're "girly men". http://images.search.yahoo.com/search/images?_adv_prop=image&fr=yfp-t-701&sz=all&va=pit+bull+bite A full grown man's flesh will tear just as easily as a little girl's will.

The officer's were trying to establish control of a scene. That includes trying to protect those too stupid to understand the concept. The ignorant people on the street were actively endangering themselves and everyone around them in direct opposition to what the cops were trying to do. Are you a LEO/EMT? Do you hold dual certifications in those fields? If not, why don't you quit MMQB'ing their actions like you know what you're talking about? You're obviously emotionally wrapped up in this subject and you aren't being objective. Ignorance is no excuse. Walk a mile in their shoes before disparaging them why don't you?

Most people think square head = pitbull, no smoke and mirrors here. If it bites - it must be a pitbull.
http://www.pitbullsontheweb.com/petbull/findpit.html


The bite numbers quoted from this History channel video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vbwMs7cjK0Y
Numbers are right - I don't see a "much larger German Sheppard", even though it did bite harder.


...pit bull-type dogs exhibit "bite, hold, and shake" behavior, which is seen in all breeds of dogs, and at times refuse to release when biting;
Source: Medical & Genetic Aspects of Purebred Dogs.


You remind me of Deadmeat2 that wrote that huge article about gun wounding from morgue point of view - pretending to know something about gun fight dynamics from seeing a couple of dead guys. You worked at ER and I'm sure you've seen it all - but it doesn't mean you have seen a single PB attack victim: a) most attacks are by mixes b) pure-bread PBs are not human aggressive

Assault weapons were brought up from news point of view : when the news say "assault" - you know it means "semi-automatic rifle" not "select fire" even though that's the definition.
Same reasonable people should know that when they say "pitbull" - it means "mutt with square head" not "APB".

I call complete BS on that "fact". Any animal can be aggressive when scared, cornered, injured or just plain pissed. If you take an American Staffordshire Terrier and mistreat it, taunt it, malnourish it, deprive it of any bonding or affection, you'll wind up with a dog that's aggressive and can bite. It eats my soul to see people not properly care for animals. It's obvious to anyone the dog cares very much for the guy. It was trying to protect him. It's a tragedy that it was shot. But witnesses who know the dog say it could be aggressive at times. It really doesn't matter whether it's an AKC registered AmStaff, poorly bred puppy mill Pit or a Heinz 57 mutt with pit blood, it's still a potentially dangerous animal and street cops aren't dog whisperers.

I love dogs. I've been bitten to the point of medical treatment by three of them (a chow, a doberman and a mutt). Yet large breeds don't bother me, so long as I know the dog and what state of mind it's in. Here's a pic of my recently departed boy and his little buddy. He only weighed 184 pounds at his peak, so he was a little on the lanky side for the breed. He was as gentle as they come, but if he was protecting my wife, nothing but a tranquilizer dart or bullet would stand him down. If that had ever happened, I'd have been tore up completely. But I'd have understood. I wouldn't want my wife laying there dying while the cops waited for animal control to secure the scene, so EMT's could get in and safely do their jobs. I guess it's all a matter of perspective.

 

[racing1g]

You worked at ER and I'm sure you've seen it all - but it doesn't mean you have seen a single PB attack victim: a) most attacks are by mixes b) pure-bread PBs are not human aggressive.

I'm not trying to be an ass and i'm not making a personal attack, but the whole pure bred pitts are not human aggressive has to be one of the most asinine things i've heard about dogs in a while. ANY dog can be human aggressive. I've witnessed good "non-aggressive breeds" attack for no apparent reason and "dangerous and aggressive" breeds that were just big old puppies. Dogs are just like humans in the temperament department. You can never tell how aggressive or docile they may be.

 

[ripnbst]

I've got to marvel at anyone who can sit on their butt in Okla. and tell the intention of a dog in NYC.

I sort of get a chuckle out of the insinuation that a dog in NYC is different than a dog in OK. Who gives a airborn explitive about who is where? The dog was protecting his owner. Had no one gotten near nothing would have happened. Poor decisions were made by the police that started the ball rolling.

The dog from his perspective was doing what dogs do, protect their owners. pit or otherwise. Id be proud as all get out if that were my dog.

 

[emapples]

The dog should have been shot, unfortunately the dog was protecting it's owner which is a good trait of a loyal dog, and firing that close to the bystanders certainly risky (a decent shot, a cleaner head shot to put it out of its misery)..... but damn officers if you shoot the dog ant it was a righteous kill, at least pretend to give a **** and render aid to the helpless man who was the owner of what was a loyal companion..... It looked as though the officer tried to approach the the man down to render assistance, dog backs him off, officer peppers dog and tries to render assistance, dog charges, offic shoots dog, dog finally expires, officer immediate approaches downed man to render assistance...... wait that last step didn't happen on que.... I wasn't there and not in the situation, but if I was I'd have proceeded to the downed man after I removed the threat...

 

[Glocktogo]

i sort of get a chuckle out of the insinuation that a dog in nyc is different than a dog in ok. Who gives a airborn explitive about who is where? The dog was protecting his owner. Had no one gotten near nothing would have happened. Poor decisions were made by the interloping bystanders that started the ball rolling.

The dog from his perspective was doing what dogs do, protect their owners. Pit or otherwise. Id be proud as all get out if that were my dog.

fify.

 

[MoBoost]

I disagree. I'm a big fan of face shooting. Man or beast, if you shoot it in the face, it's probably going to leave you alone.

Interesting. From my uber-scientific skull tests - handguns (9mm and 45acp) failed to penetrate cow, horse, pig and dog skulls from the front - and if you do - there is so little to hit. (22LR goes through though). I guess muzzle blast alone would change alot of minds.

I call complete BS on that "fact". Any animal can be aggressive when scared, cornered, injured or just plain pissed. If you take an American Staffordshire Terrier and mistreat it, taunt it, malnourish it, deprive it of any bonding or affection, you'll wind up with a dog that's aggressive and can bite.

Agreed - chances of it happening to $1500 Staffy seem to be much lower than average mutt, but I see what you saying - never underestimate human douchbaggery.

 

[aeropb]

My old friend just got himself a Michael Vick dog because his neighborhood is going downhill. He has raised it to be an aggressive attack dog. As soon as he lets it in the house it starts attacking other animals and generally treats everyone like ****.

 

[MoBoost]

I'm not trying to be an ass and i'm not making a personal attack, but the whole pure bred pitts are not human aggressive has to be one of the most asinine things i've heard about dogs in a while. ANY dog can be human aggressive. I've witnessed good "non-aggressive breeds" attack for no apparent reason and "dangerous and aggressive" breeds that were just big old puppies. Dogs are just like humans in the temperament department. You can never tell how aggressive or docile they may be.

There are hundreds of breeds for a reason. Dog breeds are designed for certain purpose - color, physical structure and temper are all part of the breed. Yes, dogs can be raised one way or another to an extent - you can't just wipe out genetic material. Most breeds are people friendly and have to be trained to be human aggressive - some, but not all. Pitbulls are naturally on the wrong (far) side of human aggression and thus not recommended as guard dogs - for generations human aggression was corrected with euthanasia. But as I mentioned before - you start mixing cuckoo toy-breads and hunting dogs in - that's when the troubles start.

 

[chubbs]

It wasn't smart to shoot the dog in the manner and location that he did. He could have shot the guy on the ground in the head

 

[Parks 788]

My issue is that they did not finish the animal off immediately, that was a bit cruel. Other than that the shoot was righteous.

Yes pit bulls are a great breed they are actually quite kind, loving, and loyal and yet maligned because of what they have the potential to do when untrained and unsupervised. We learned that one the hard way. 6 weeks post surgery one of my cats is probably going to have an amputation done because there has been no bone regrowth in the 3 tarsals we had to have pinned when in a moment of excitement our pit bull used him as a play toy.

We don't know the dog we don't know what happened prior to where the video starts and when t comes down between a human and animal the animals gonna lose.

That could have been a border collie, lab, Australian Shepard, rhodesian ridgeback, or any number of other breeds and the situation would have likely ended the same way.

There are no bad breeds just bad owners and a homeless junkie has no business having a damn dog of any breed.

Are you serious?? Your second paragraph is hysterical. You say that Pits are kind, loyal and loving yet maligned for what potential damage they can cause. NO, NO, NO! They are maligned because they do cause extreme damage on a much more regular basis than other breeds. The other part of your nonsense is that if they are trained properly they are good dogs. Maybe so, but there are countless other breeds that the owners never train and they don't continually go crazy and attack people. Most people don't train their dogs other than the sit, stay crap and they are great around people. If a breed of dog has to be fully trained to be safe around others then there is a problem with the breed. Plain and simple.