OKC police officer slams old guy unconscious

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This is not over. If this is determined to be a Federal Civil Rights Violation then the US DOJ can strip the officer of his Qualified Immunity.

There can also be a Civil lawsuit brought on by the family.

Just because an officer "did not violate policy and training etc" it can play out that just because it was "policy and training" doesn't always mean that will stand up in court. There are many cases of a law enforcement person violating Civil Rights according to "policy and training" and those "policiy and training" were ordered to be eliminated.

As expected, there are various terms and conditions that must be met to qualify for this to happen. It's not automatic.

I'm not a lawyer or law enforcement person so take my comments in a general sort of way. This is far above my paygrade.

However, if I were selected for jury duty I- know how I'd vote.
The DOJ only has a few weeks left until they get a new AG. Will this even be on the radar for Merrit Garland during the transition? Will the new AG Bondi want to go after the cop? Maybe she has more interest in getting Liz Cheney.
 
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This is not over. If this is determined to be a Federal Civil Rights Violation then the US DOJ can strip the officer of his Qualified Immunity.

There can also be a Civil lawsuit brought on by the family.

Just because an officer "did not violate policy and training etc" it can play out that just because it was "policy and training" doesn't always mean that will stand up in court. There are many cases of a law enforcement person violating Civil Rights according to "policy and training" and those "policiy and training" were ordered to be eliminated.

As expected, there are various terms and conditions that must be met to qualify for this to happen. It's not automatic.



I'm not a lawyer or law enforcement person so take my comments in a general sort of way. This is far above my paygrade.

However, if I were selected for jury duty I- know how I'd vote.


Hey Good. Love to see the feds take off with this. Finally they’d be doing something worthwhile and be behind common sense and the will of the public at large😉
 

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There are people in jail and without a job currently for following training and policy issues.
Common sense has to play into the equation at some point, so I have absolutely no issue with someone getting jammed up for being a rule following thug.

This solidifies my opinion on the question of whether local cops would attempt to take our guns if given the order. I’ve always believed “most” would fall in line and follow the order as long as it doesn’t affect them. I think there will be a few with balls that will walk away but not many.
 
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I'd never reach at or touch an officer
That’s because you are smart and a man that respects what the LEO is doing. It’s possible you may not agree with the LEO but because you are smart, you know how to conduct yourself which includes never putting hands on a LEO.

The generation of LEOs that I grew up with in the 60’s and 70’s would be in a completely different world today.

My late father was a cop in So Cal. One of the stories I heard at his retirement dinner was how he would often arrest people and not cuff them. He would tell them, “If you respect me, I will respect you. If you don’t respect me? I will really hurt you.” If they understood, he would let them ride up front in the car. Point is, an old man poking my dad or another cop of that era would not get the response we saw here with this officer. Not that the LEOs of the past had better training, society was not as obnoxious as it is today.

And yes, they’re some obnoxious if not bad LEOs. The beating death of Tyre Nichols and this case sadly illustrated that.
 

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Not that the LEOs of the past had better training
I dunno. I remember about 25-30 years ago, when the senior street cops I knew were mostly Vietnam-era veterans, they were really concerned about the younger cops they were getting. They were particularly concerned that they were “lily white,” not that they were of any particular race, but that they had never been in any trouble, not even so much as a speeding ticket.

The guys I knew were all either veterans or had been in some kind of trouble when they were younger (or probably both, as I’ve known a couple of guys who got the “go to jail or to the Army” choice), so they had some experience with what bad really looked like and had some empathy for the citizens with whom they were interacting.
 

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He put his hands on the officer, the officer took control,


Hope he learned a lesson,
Hopefully someone teaches the cop a lesson. You know he's mentally weak by his need to hurt a frail old man over a touch. Hopefully this is a wakeup call to deal with his temper and insecurities before someone gets killed.
 

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Hopefully someone teaches the cop a lesson. You know he's mentally weak by his need to hurt a frail old man over a touch. Hopefully this is a wakeup call to deal with his temper and insecurities before someone gets killed.
Doubtful. All the good citizens of the state are going pay his lawsuit and his upcoming lawsuits for a while I'd bet.
 

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