Oklahoma congressman refused entrance to see Ft Sill illegals

[Glocktogo]

Why should he be allowed to circumvent the rules the rest of us would be required to follow?

We preach that all the time don't we? He's a member of Congress. He holds no special privilege or authority in this matter, even if we agree with his position on the situation.

Please cite the rules or laws on the books preventing him from enterimng the facility. As a federal government representative tasked with budgeting for this operation, he should have full access. Not limited access three weeks later, full access now.

The collective Congress does have one specific authority on this matter, the authority to defund HHS. Absent full cooperation, that's exactly what they should do.

 

[SMS]

Please cite the rules or laws on the books preventing him from enterimng the facility. As a federal government representative tasked with budgeting for this operation, he should have full access. Not limited access three weeks later, full access now.

The collective Congress does have one specific authority on this matter, the authority to defund HHS. Absent full cooperation, that's exactly what they should do.

Given your primary job function, I'm sure you have better knowledge of the laws governing access to federal facilities than I do. I can't cite them, but you know as well as I do that they exist. Should he be granted immediate exemption to them just by showing up to the gate and demanding access? I don't believe he should. Should the HHS Director be able to grant him a statutory exemption to physical security procedures due to his position as a Representative? Sure, if the statutes allow for it.

I attribute the "three week" timeframe more to government bureaucracy than malice. As a credentialed FAA employee, it often took me three weeks or more to secure access to other aviation facilities. As a new employee at my current position, I couldn't visit the work location prior to my "on-board date" because all visit requests required three weeks advance notice. Red tape, plain and simple.

I'm just saying that every Representative we send to Washington should not be, nor claim to be, entitled to show up wherever and whenever they want and demand access, anymore than we can. Nor do I believe any statutory authority exists to allow it. There are ways for those in charge of the purse strings to investigate and request information and execute their duties as legislators. He's a legislator, not an investigator.

If the good Representative had sent a request through official channels, from his office to theirs, requesting access on such and such date, I bet he would've received it. But that wouldn't play as well in the press as showing up at the gate and throwing a fit. Every side engages in information operations. Looks like in this case he executed it pretty well because a lot of folks are buying it.

How would you feel if a liberal anti-gun representative from Oklahoma showed up at OSBI's office demanding to have access to a list of every permit holder in the state? What if he/she showed up at Fort Sill or Tinker demanding to see the on-base resident's firearms registration forms or demand a tour of the military weapons/munitions storage areas? Should they be given it just because he/she is a "Congressman from Oklahoma"?

 

[Glocktogo]

Given your primary job function, I'm sure you have better knowledge of the laws governing access to federal facilities than I do. I can't cite them, but you know as well as I do that they exist. Should he be granted immediate exemption to them just by showing up to the gate and demanding access? I don't believe he should. Should the HHS Director be able to grant him a statutory exemption to physical security procedures due to his position as a Representative? Sure, if the statutes allow for it.

I attribute the "three week" timeframe more to government bureaucracy than malice. As a credentialed FAA employee, it often took me three weeks or more to secure access to other aviation facilities. As a new employee at my current position, I couldn't visit the work location prior to my "on-board date" because all visit requests required three weeks advance notice. Red tape, plain and simple.

I'm just saying that every Representative we send to Washington should not be, nor claim to be, entitled to show up wherever and whenever they want and demand access, anymore than we can. Nor do I believe any statutory authority exists to allow it. There are ways for those in charge of the purse strings to investigate and request information and execute their duties as legislators. He's a legislator, not an investigator.

If the good Representative had sent a request through official channels, from his office to theirs, requesting access on such and such date, I bet he would've received it. But that wouldn't play as well in the press as showing up at the gate and throwing a fit. Every side engages in information operations. Looks like in this case he executed it pretty well because a lot of folks are buying it.

How would you feel if a liberal anti-gun representative from Oklahoma showed up at OSBI's office demanding to have access to a list of every permit holder in the state? What if he/she showed up at Fort Sill or Tinker demanding to see the on-base resident's firearms registration forms or demand a tour of the military weapons/munitions storage areas? Should they be given it just because he/she is a "Congressman from Oklahoma"?

When John Mica showed up at my AOR, we didn't refuse him even though he hates us and wasn't even on the DHS committee. I can see making him wait until the appropriate persons could be notified and a proper escort arranged, but these are illegla immigrant children, not a top secret NSA facility. Telling him three weeks for the bureaucracy to grant a simple visit is inappropriate.

 

[UnSafe]

Note in the first post, that the Rep went to the facility after meeting with the Post Commander. Nothing mentioned about the Post Commander preventing him from visiting the facility. Not fair to throw rocks at Ft. Sill or the Army at this point.
This is purely a HHS/ Fed pissing match. Though it'll probably end up with the Post Commander getting sacked for some reason or another...

 

[TwoForFlinching]

To be fair, I'd never heard of him before today... The man sure can rock some political propaganda... more than likely what his surprise visit was all about.

 

[dugsok]

You are so right as congress controls the purse strings of the USA they could use clout if they had leaders Balls
Our congress took ( how to-Lead follow are get the h out of the way), shame they chose to only remember the Get h out of way to be their platform

 

[Shadowrider]

If the good Representative had sent a request through official channels, from his office to theirs, requesting access on such and such date, I bet he would've received it. But that wouldn't play as well in the press as showing up at the gate and throwing a fit. Every side engages in information operations. Looks like in this case he executed it pretty well because a lot of folks are buying it.

I do see your overall point, but do we know that he didn't? Honest question, I've been working a hot project and haven't had much time to search. And I'll echo that the 3 weeks lead was total ********. Stinks to high heaven when they could've just opened the door and let it air out...

 

[loudshirt]

Really?????

Why doesn't he try again...except this time...take the State Adjutant General with him. I'd like to see them stop the State A.G.

Heck, why doesn't he take some Oklahoma National Guard and Air Guard top brass with him??

Use some muscle, if he's denied, call out the National Guard and block Fort Sill...nothing gets in or out.


Did you see where citizens in California blocked some of the buses and they turned around and went back to Arizona!!!


Man up and use the Guard, Oklahoma Top Brass and the State A.G. Hell, the law is broken on illegal immigrants, tax money is wasted on NON-CITIZENS, and if you call the Guard out...I'm sure it will make national news. Obummer amd friends will back down...plus it might set a standard for other states to try.

State A.G. and the Guard...start a sh! t storm in the name of our broken and ignored laws.

Ft. Sill being a federal facility and the State A.G. being well state would not work so well. Many of the officers in the OK National Guard from 2nd Lt up to Maj. General are state appointees not federal. Meaning that their rank would not completely transfer to the active component. They would not have much real authority at Ft. Sill.

 

[RugersGR8]

What?!!?! I thought fences wouldn't work? How is it that fences and guards work here in Oklahoma, but they won't work on the border? Magic?

OBTW, fences and guards also seem to work around 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue, the White House, the Obama "Hive/Collective/Commune".

 

[Lakenut]

Here is an angle that hasn't gotten much press....what happens in a month or so when the new school year rolls around? Is the gov going to push these kids into the local school districts?