This has not been my experience with many Democrats / Liberals. But, I hope you are right and I am wrong.
This has not been my experience with many Democrats / Liberals. But, I hope you are right and I am wrong.
You are wrong, this has the best chance of passing I’d say better than 90% actually
Come on man this using true there are a handful of liberals left that have a modicum of support in 2A rights, and that number is shrinking.
House Democrats this week advanced a new measure to encourage states to pass “red flag” laws, known as extreme risk protection orders, that authorize removing guns and ammunition from dangerous individuals.
Democrats on the House Judiciary Committee amended the measure during a Wednesday mark-up to authorize the federal government to issue extreme risk protection orders in some instances, but they rejected an amendment that would have red-flagged anyone who law enforcement lists as a gang member.
“The majority of violent crime, including gun violence, in the United States is linked to gangs,” Rep. Ken Buck, a Colorado Republican who sponsored the amendment, said Wednesday. “My amendment is quite simple. It would allow the issuance of a red flag order against anyone whose name appears in a gang database if there was probable cause to include that individual in the database.”
Democrats objected with reasons that sounded very familiar to Republicans.
GOP lawmakers have staunchly opposed “No Fly, No Buy” proposals Democrats have tried to pass in the House in recent years because the lists flag the wrong people.
Like the no-fly lists, which have erroneously flagged many innocent individuals as terrorists (including the late Sen. Ted Kennedy), the gang databases are often inaccurate, Democrats said.
“You know, California had these databases, and they finally stopped when they discovered that they had 3-year-olds on the databases as gang members,” Rep. Zoe Lofgren of California said. “I mean, so some of these are reliable, a lot of them are not.”
Buck pointed out his amendment requires law enforcement to limit red-flagging to only those with probable cause to be included on the list, which is a stricter criteria.
Democrats kept objecting, arguing someone could be misidentified as gang members simply for writing “13” on a piece of paper and having it wrongly identified as an MS-13 gang sign.
“Maybe you are just doodling because it is the 13th of June,” Judiciary Committee Chairman Jerry Nadler of New York said.
Buck said police have to meet a much higher threshold to list someone as a gang member.
“This is a situation where the police officers are trained, and there are very identifiable signs, and it isn't just one sign,” Buck told Nadler.
Democratic Rep. Eric Swalwell of California offered to support the amendment if Buck agreed to include those listed “individuals affiliated with white nationalism.”
Buck agreed, but he said the language should include “any type of supremacy.”
“Let’s add Cosa Nostra to this,” Buck added.
The amendment ultimately failed 11-21, but not before the top Republican on the panel, Rep. Doug Collins of Georgia, called out Democrats for their hypocrisy.
Democrats in 2016 staged a “sit-in” on the House floor, refusing to let the GOP majority conduct legislative business, in part because Republicans would not pass "No-Fly, No-Buy" legislation, which would prevent people on the federal no-fly list from purchasing guns.
“It’s amazing to me,” Collins said. “We had a large blow-up on the floor of this House just a couple years ago about the 'No Fly, No Buy' list, which was shown to have issues, but at that point, nobody from the other side brought this is as a concern, and now we are bringing it as a concern,” Collins said.
“If we can't bring this list up, even with due process put in, then don't ever bring the 'No Fly, No Buy' list up again."
“Don't ever bring it up again because there is no due process on that list.”
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/...n-targeting-gang-databases-with-red-flag-laws
Lets not forget that minority gangs contribute to 80% of the gun violence the liberal gun grabbers are talking about. They do not follow gun registration laws and will not follow any law the legislature is going to force on legitimate and law abiding gun owners.
We DO NOT NEED RED FLAG LAWS! We already have laws that can take away guns from those that pose a threat.
We just did that in Oklahoma with the 18 year old girl that threatened to shoot up a school in McAlester.
A new law will do nothing.
The past school shootings had red flags all over them in every case, but leo did nothing to use existing law to disarm those individuals with some exceptions. The Las Vegas Shooter was an anomaly. No law will ever prevent someone like him no more than it will prevent mass murders by motor vehicle.
Guys arguing about Red Flag Laws being abused here is a waste of time and effort. Argue instead with your elected reps.
I fully agree. On top of which these laws WILL be abused it isn't even a matter of if. Apply the leftist weaponization of social media to this and it is impossible not to have these type of unconstitutional laws abused. This is about the DE-weaponization of America. It has NOTHING to do with decreasing the number of lives lost to mass shootings. Because if it did then Chicago, Baltimore, Detroit, LA, SF, NYC would be in the news every single week! We should stop arguing about how or if they are going to take our property, homes, families, and lives, and start realizing that they ARE going to. It is just a matter of when.
Its been my astute observation that there are both left and right leaning people in small numbers that are against guns. Maybe the left has a higher percentage but thats not been my experience. Some of my good friends are stanch liberals and they own more guns that I do. Hell there are many liberals in the closet on this forum but they are gun people too. You may know who they are but they do not talk about it.
Closet liberals are funny.
Let me see your facts. You seem to have some.
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