Retired Green Beret shoots intruder, gets court martial

[cichlid-dave]

Ok regardless of the caliber I think that goes down as a one stop shot.

 

[Norman]

Meh, idk if I'd call it a one shot stop. The threat wasn't really incapacitated, he just ran off. For the record Michael Brown is spot on (no shocker there). Had a dude take 2 .45 ACP's to the dome. Neither injured the brain. 1st shot was point blank to the forehead. He drove home and smoked a cig.

 

[Werewolf]

Meh, idk if I'd call it a one shot stop. The threat wasn't really incapacitated, he just ran off. For the record Michael Brown is spot on (no shocker there). Had a dude take 2 .45 ACP's to the dome. Neither injured the brain. 1st shot was point blank to the forehead. He drove home and smoked a cig.

squib loads????

Otherwise short of the the 1 in a million deflection shot, without a verifiable cite - 2 shots to the forehead, 1 point blank and neither penetrated the skull and the guy drove home - has to fall into the BS category.

 

[JD8]

It is interesting to note that this is suprisingly common with almost any pistol caliber not just 22LR.

Usually bullet design is the culprit since the vast majority of shootings are done with FMJ or LRN ammo.

Michael Brown

Yep, I remember reading about a trauma case where a guy got shot three times with a .40. One bounced off his sternum and lodged in his chin, the other shattered his elbow, and the last was an abdomen wound. He walked into the ER.

 

[Norman]

squib loads????

Otherwise short of the the 1 in a million deflection shot, without a verifiable cite - 2 shots to the forehead, 1 point blank and neither penetrated the skull and the guy drove home - has to fall into the BS category.

Lol can call BS if you want, but it's the truth. Idk if it ever made the news. The point blank shot was in the forehead at an upward angle. Deflected and followed the skull up. Neither shot could be a true squib, as the bullet left the bore.

 

[Michael Brown]

squib loads????

Otherwise short of the the 1 in a million deflection shot, without a verifiable cite - 2 shots to the forehead, 1 point blank and neither penetrated the skull and the guy drove home - has to fall into the BS category.

Read Jim Cirillo's book where he describes two detectives shooting 11 rounds of 38 LRN at point blank range into a suspect's head and not a single bullet penetrating.

I collected a CCI Blazer 9mm bullet a couple years ago that struck a 16 year old in the forehead and skidded off his skull and left him with a burn and two cuts.

I WITNESSED a subject in the parking lot of the Hurricane Club on 11th street take a full magazine from a biker's Tokarov, including three to the skull only one of which penetrated the skull, and still stab the biker with a bowie. Both subjects then fled in vehicles and were not incapacitated.

I would do some research before calling BS on such a story. I think you'll find plenty of cases of subjects taking head shots and bullets not penetrating the skull.

Michael Brown

 

[Werewolf]

...I would do some research before calling BS on such a story. I think you'll find plenty of cases of subjects taking head shots and bullets not penetrating the skull.

Michael Brown

Interesting.

Brings into question the efficacy of the Tueller drill.

 

[Michael Brown]

Interesting.

Brings into question the efficacy of the Tueller drill.

The Tueller Drill was only an illustration of what a non-athletic person was capable of doing in a static scenario from seven yards away.

It is NOT a recommendation of how to correctly handle a scenario.

It was intended to show that police officers (and others who carry firearms) and eventually juries UNDER-estimate the danger a contact or edged-weapons assailant poses even as far as seven yards away.

Then-Sgt. Tueller merely wanted to demonstrate this in an easy to grasp and visual manner; that is all.

One of the unintended consequences of this demonstration was that some people who see it fail to grasp that the time attached to it is time to bullet contact, not time to incapacitation which obviously varies widely throughout the population.

All that said, I think you may be confusing the "Tueller Drill" i.e. two shots from the holster to the target in 1.5 seconds or less, with the "Mozambique Drill" i.e. Two to the body, One to the Head.

Michael Brown

 

[Werewolf]

All that said, I think you may be confusing the "Tueller Drill" i.e. two shots from the holster to the target in 1.5 seconds or less, with the "Mozambique Drill" i.e. Two to the body, One to the Head.

I did think that the 1.5 second, 7 yard range, 2 to the body, 1 to the head applied to the Tueller drill also. I stand corrected.