SCOTUS Healthcare Ruling

[Shadowrider]

Why is "progressive" a bad word? Shouldn't we want progress? Shouldn't we want to move forward? There's an old adage that says, "time stands still for no man." It doesn't. Things change.

wrapping yourself up in anger, bitterness and a wistful longing for the "good old days" (that were not nearly as good as you think) is just a waste of time.

It totally depends on what your definition of "progress" and "forward" are.

And the good old days were better. More individual freedom was to be had.

 

[Glocktogo]

I did go to college (father paid some, I paid some) and sought out a job that has both a pension and 401k (yea, I'm partially lucky to find one but I did deliberately seek that out almost a decade ago when applying). I did so because I didn't expect any government benefits to be viably available come the 2030s or 2040 when I retire. I sure don't think I am entitled.

But the real insult comes when we are called entitled by the people who were born possibly the most entitled generation generation the world has ever seen. One example, we as a country spend more dollar per prisoner than we do per student in this country. Students today gripe about their rising tuition, but then the people who call them entitled were the same ones going to college before a two thousand percent increase in rates. It's not that these students want entitlements, they just want a shake as fair as the people calling them worthless had. It is infuriating. I harbor more disdain for the 'Boomers than possibly any people in American history (except for maybe Andrew Jackson ).

I think on the whole we're on the same page, just expressing different points about our frustrations with the criticism we as a generation receive (technically I think I am a Gen Xer and not a Gen Yer though, but the point for the most part remains).

You must be of Native American descent. Ol' Andy did a lot of good, but pretty much all of his bad was directed at Native Americans (well, and bankers).

 

[Glocktogo]

Seriously, reading this thread completely just show how delusional some of you guys are.

If you think the modern Democratic party is more liberal or socialist-leaning than it was, oh from the 1890's to the 1950's, then you're either ignorant or delusional. If you think Progressivism is being pushed now more than it was in the old days, then wow. You super-patriots would have predicted the world was ending under Teddy, FDR, and Ike if you'd been around then. They pushed more unprecedented progressive policies than Obama ever could - and the world didn't end. A 1950's conservative would be lynched on OSA.

If you think Obama is the most liberal, progressive president we've ever had, again you're either ignorant or delusional.

The Democratic party has effectively moved the the center-right and the GOP has effectively lost its collective ******* mind.

Preach it brother Ridge!

 

[Hobbes]

It totally depends on what your definition of "progress" and "forward" are.

And the good old days were better. More individual freedom was to be had.

Really?
You must not remember when a man and a woman couldn't check into the same hotel room unless they were married.

Try telling black folks they had more individual freedom in the 50's than now.

 

[JB Books]

I agree with R.H. and J.B. about the "good ole days" not being that "good". BUT........
.......wrapping yourself in the failed policies of the defunct soviet empire and embracing the same economic and overreaching social policies that have bankrupted several semi-socialist European nations all in the name of "fairness" is not PROGRESSIVE. It's RE-GRESSIVE. Socialism failed. Doesn't work. Let it go. Move on.org.com.net

But that is NOT what's happening despite the best efforts by a bunch of miserable losers to spin it that way...and you know it.

 

[JB Books]

It totally depends on what your definition of "progress" and "forward" are.

And the good old days were better. More individual freedom was to be had.

Unless you were Black, Hispanic, Asian, Native American....

 

[Glocktogo]

Why is "progressive" a bad word? Shouldn't we want progress? Shouldn't we want to move forward? There's an old adage that says, "time stands still for no man." It doesn't. Things change.

wrapping yourself up in anger, bitterness and a wistful longing for the "good old days" (that were not nearly as good as you think) is just a waste of time.

It's simple. If you control the definitions of the words, you control the debate. Case in point, the Dems effectivelly called a tax "not a tax". That was the only way they could pass it and that was what they did. When you allow the other side to change the meaning of words, you lose. Simple as that.

 

[soonerwings]

It's simple. If you control the definitions of the words, you control the debate. Case in point, the Dems effectivelly called a tax "not a tax". That was the only way they could pass it and that was what they did. When you allow the other side to change the meaning of words, you lose. Simple as that.

Which is why the SCOTUS ruling that it could only stand as a tax is a victory in disguise.

 

[inactive]

You must be of Native American descent.

Indeed. You caught me "red-handed." I laid that out there to see if anyone would catch it.




I also believe this means I am exempt from the individual mandate penalty because I have health care provided through IHS.

 

[Shadowrider]

Really?
You must not remember when a man and a woman couldn't check into the same hotel room unless they were married. Still is if that's how the hotel owner chooses to run his property.

Try telling black folks they had more individual freedom in the 50's than now. I think it's pretty clear that there are more blacks dependent on the .gov dole than there were then. Seems that slavery is returning, just to a different master, said master being the government this time around. EDIT for JB: Only this time around they don't care what color you are!

See above