Shool Shooting: California

[BIG_MIKE2005]

Just heard about this one. Here is the link: http://news.yahoo.com/1-student-shot-high-school-taft-calif-182626650.html

So, Sen. Dianne Feinstein please explain to us all again as a nation how stricter gun laws can stop this stuff? doesn't California have some of the strictest gun control in the country? Guess its just a case of reality proving only honest citizens obey the laws & honest citizens do not commit crimes. So tells us more about how your gonna get criminals to obey your gun bans/control? I'm listening.........

 

[ripnbst]

Yeah, don't they already have 10 round mag limits and AR's basically without detachable magazines?

This will likely be pitched as a gun control victory. One shot v 20 something dead.

 

[TwoForFlinching]

Half of California is highly restrictive... The other half is only a little restrictive

 

[Coded-Dude]

Live feed: http://www.turnto23.com/video/live_video

CA Gun Laws = 10 day wait every time, FFL involved in all private sales(10 day wait still imposed), Long gun registration, Internet Ammo sales restricted/banned in certain cities, State and Federal gun free school zones, 10 round magazine capacity for rifles and pistols, Roster/List of handguns that safe for private ownership(getting off roster guns is complicated - single shot exemption), No open carry of handguns or long guns, Transporting of firearms(locked, unloaded, and concealed) for daily use is a legal question mark(should be going to from an area in which you will use the fiream - hunting, range, etc.).

 

[Coded-Dude]

UPDATE: TenPercentFirearms from Calguns.net teaches at that school. He has apparently instructed his students on what to do in situations like this(they even run drills). We have yet to hear from him, but hope to soon.

I am a teacher. Let me tell you how this works.

Right now, I can legally carry any/all of the 15 guns on my LTC into Taft Union High School in the State of California. 100% legal in this state. However, my contract has a no guns clause so I would get fired if caught.

California already allows CCW on campus.

So the statistical odds of needing my CCW on my campus are so minute that it is not worth the larger odds of someone figuring out I am packing and me getting fired. So I do not carry at work.

So that leaves me with a whole lot of nothing to defend myself with. Or does it? In high school, we already were told we were going to have a lock down drill sometime over the last two months. I took that time to prepare my students. I trained every single class how if we get the call, we were going to stack up in my class and arm ourselves and anyone who comes through our locked door is going to face us close in. I told my students I do not want to die for them, I would rather kill someone for them and we all live. I do tell them if I take a bullet, they better make sure that whoever comes in doesn't walk out under their own power, because I am making the same promise to them.

I was going to be absent Friday and my students asked when our drill was going to be and what the procedure was if we had a sub and we had a lock down. I told them the drill is the same and if I am not here, they know what to do.

Then Friday happened while I was gone.

I thought about how I am feeling pretty confident with a classroom of about 30 high school juniors and seniors and about 10 per class that could probably seriously mess up a shooter, we have pretty good odds if we can stack up and wait for a shooter to break in.

Yet, in CT, they had virtually no chance. You can't do that with 6 year olds. And that is when I realized, there is no real answer for CT. Bad things happen and there isn't much you can do about it.

Gene is correct. There are very, very few kindergarten teachers out there that are going to want to carry. I agree that anyone who is advocating we arm all the teachers is not making a decent point at all. It just isn't realistic given the type of people that are teachers.

That being said, many people might think having a taser in the classroom is okay. If they won't let me carry a gun, but I can carry a taser? Well that is better than nothing. It would definitely ramp up my classroom defense plan.

Of course I would be much better off with my Glock 27 or my DB380. Really I would be much better off with any of my AR15s. However, reality is that isn't going to happen anytime soon. Yet, I would find a taser at the point blank range quite more effective than just a pencil or a book (we have sprinklers in our rooms so no fire extinguisher to use as a blunt force object).

Get realistic. We have two good Supreme Court cases and the 2nd Amendment. Tasers are not arms that any militia in the world would use to secure freedom. The anti's have just as much odds of convincing lawmakers we have to give up our arms for tasers as you are going to convince every teacher in the country to arm themselves with firearms.

Here is the real truth. School shooting are rare. Really rare. Our children are much more likely to die in a car accident or get run over on the way to school than they will ever be in a school shooting. Soon this will die down until the next shooting. Sometimes in life there just isn't much you can do. Even if armed, your number might just be up.

I like Gene's idea. It is not optimal by any means, but it has a chance of succeeding.

I might actually start asking my board members why we have a no guns clause in our contract. We are a conservative enough town removing it might not shatter the world. Plus, I have heard stories that in the 60s and 70s the clause wasn't in the Kern High School District's contract and it was implemented only because teachers were leaving guns in their briefcases and students were getting a hold of them.

 

[71buickfreak]

the media will say "see, he used a shotgun and nobody died, only person got hurt. If he had used a bushmaster AK15, thousands would been killed"

Truly fighting fire with here.

 

[Werewolf]

I'm not ready to don a tin foil hat quite yet but one does wonder...

WTF is going on?????????????

 

[Coded-Dude]

TenPercentFirearms texted Kestryll(owner of CGN) and said he and his class are all okay. Press conference is about to happen: http://www.turnto23.com/video/live_video

 

[bettingpython]

What the hell is wrong with people?

Okay this needs to be looked at just a little closer, on first blush this has no signs of a mass homicide attempt, sounds more like a directed attempt and casualty number 2 was likely collateral damage.

Now how they are going to spin this is simple, if they had a complete and total ban on firearms in California they still couldn't control these things because it's so easy to smuggle a gun in. Same argument is used in other municipalities that have anti gun laws.

 

[dennishoddy]

One shooter with a shotgun. One student in citical condition. School supervisor and one other talked the shooter down.