So Obama is claiming Bush is responsible for Fast and Furious

[DPI]

Amazing. But the media is not going along with this one. We need more media like Univision. They asked some real questions and Obama stuck his foot in his mouth multiple times.

President Obama Falsely Claims Fast and Furious Program "Begun Under the Previous Administration"

http://news.yahoo.com/president-oba...ogram-begun-154000510--abc-news-politics.html

Asked about the Fast and Furious program at the Univision forum on Thursday, President Obama falsely claimed that the program began under President George W. Bush.

"I think it's important for us to understand that the Fast and Furious program was a field-initiated program begun under the previous administration," the president said. "When Eric Holder found out about it, he discontinued it. We assigned a inspector general to do a thorough report that was just issued, confirming that in fact Eric Holder did not know about this, that he took prompt action and the people who did initiate this were held accountable."

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In actuality, the Fast and Furious program was started in October 2009, nine months into the Obama presidency.

Previous programs involving ATF agents allowing guns to "walk" across the border so as to trace them were run during the Bush presidency, but not this particular "field-initiated program."

White House officials did not respond to a request for comment after the falsehood was pointed out to them.

As for President Obama's discussion about the Justice Department Inspector General's report on Fast and Furious, it's true the Inspector General "concluded that although Attorney General Holder was notified immediately of (Border Patrol) Agent (Brian) Terry's shooting and death, he was not told about the connection between the firearms found at the scene of the shooting and Operation Fast and Furious.

We determined that Attorney General Holder did not learn of that fact until sometime in 2011, after he received Sen. Grassley's January 27 letter. Senior Department officials were aware of this significant and troubling information by December 17, 2010, but did not believe the information was sufficiently important to alert the Attorney General about it or to make any further inquiry regarding this development."

But this was not entirely an exoneration of the Justice Department run by Mr. Holder. "We found it troubling that a case of this magnitude, and one that affected Mexico so significantly was not directly briefed to the Attorney General," the report stated.

In addition to specific disciplinary measures, the Inspector General "made six recommendations designed to increase the Department's involvement in and oversight of ATF operations, improve coordination among the Department's law enforcement components, and enhance the Department's wiretap application review and authorization process. The OIG intends to closely monitor the department's progress in implementing these recommendations."

 

[tran]

Did you think he was going to man up?

 

[DPI]

Did you think he was going to man up?

I thought he would deny knowing about it.

 

[dennishoddy]

What a freeking liar.
He thought the spanish speaking people are as naive as some around here.

 

[Glocksteady]

The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) ran a series of "gunwalking" sting operations between 2006 and 2011. These operations were done under the umbrella of Project Gunrunner, a project intended to stem the flow of firearms into Mexico by interdicting straw purchasers and gun traffickers within the United States. "Gun walking" or "letting guns walk" was a tactic whereby the ATF "purposely allowed licensed firearms dealers to sell weapons to illegal straw buyers, hoping to track the guns to Mexican drug cartel leaders." The stated goal of allowing these purchases was to continue to track the firearms as they were transferred to higher-level traffickers and key figures in Mexican cartels, with the expectation that this would lead to their arrests and the dismantling of the cartels. The tactic was questioned during the operations by a number of people, including ATF field agents and cooperating licensed gun dealers. Operation Fast and Furious, by far the largest "gunwalking" probe, monitored the sale of over 2,000 firearms, of which nearly 700 were recovered as of October 20, 2011.

Using common sense, I would say his statement was true to the point. If you want to make a mountain out of a mole hill and split hairs, this is America.

 

[dennishoddy]

The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) ran a series of "gunwalking" sting operations between 2006 and 2011. These operations were done under the umbrella of Project Gunrunner, a project intended to stem the flow of firearms into Mexico by interdicting straw purchasers and gun traffickers within the United States. "Gun walking" or "letting guns walk" was a tactic whereby the ATF "purposely allowed licensed firearms dealers to sell weapons to illegal straw buyers, hoping to track the guns to Mexican drug cartel leaders." The stated goal of allowing these purchases was to continue to track the firearms as they were transferred to higher-level traffickers and key figures in Mexican cartels, with the expectation that this would lead to their arrests and the dismantling of the cartels. The tactic was questioned during the operations by a number of people, including ATF field agents and cooperating licensed gun dealers. Operation Fast and Furious, by far the largest "gunwalking" probe, monitored the sale of over 2,000 firearms, of which nearly 700 were recovered as of October 20, 2011.

Using common sense, I would say his statement was true to the point. If you want to make a mountain out of a mole hill and split hairs, this is America.

His statement is an incredible lie.
The guns that Bush let walk were equipped with GPS devices to allow tracking. The drug cartels discovered them, and the guns were "rebuilt".

Obummer/Holder just let any old gun walk, and waited on evidence at murders to track the serial numbers. Unfortunatly one of our border agents was among the first to be killed by this scheme.

 

[DPI]

The operation "Wide Receiver", run by ATF’s Tucson office and the U.S. Attorney for Arizona, started in 2006 when George W. Bush’s Attorney General Alberto Gonzales was running the show - and ran until the end of 2007. This stopped when Bush found out about it. This was also done in cooperation with the Mexican government.

 

[DPI]

Rep. Darrell Issa acknowledged Sunday that operations "similar" to the controversial "Fast and Furious" gunrunning probe were conducted under the Bush administration.

But the House Republican spearheading an investigation into the operation under Attorney General Eric Holder's Justice Department claimed the past operations were different in that they were "coordinated with Mexico."

Issa's comments follow fresh reports about gunrunning probes spanning the Bush and Obama administrations.

Newly disclosed documents reveal there was a second Arizona-based investigation during the Bush administration in which the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives allegedly let guns "walk" as a way to target weapons-trafficking suspects.

Holder, in defending himself against charges over "Fast and Furious," has also noted there was another investigation known as "Operation Wide Receiver." From 2006 to about the end of 2007, those investigators "permitted guns to be transferred to suspected gun traffickers and had not interdicted them," according to a current Justice Department official.

"Fast and Furious" was unique for the sheer number of guns that were allowed to cross the U.S.-Mexico border, and the fact that weapons tied to the investigation ended up at the murder scene of Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry late last year.

Issa, speaking on CBS' "Face the Nation," acknowledged the existence of Bush-era gunrunning operations but said the ATF showed an "inconsistency" in the way they were run years later.

"We know that, under the Bush administration, there were similar operations, but they were coordinated with Mexico," Issa, R-Calif., said. "They made every effort to keep their eyes on the weapons the whole time. So we're not, per se, saying that tracing weapons is a bad idea."

Emails regarding the second Arizona-based investigation in 2007 show U.S. officials were working with their Mexican counterparts.

In one incident, though, the emails reveal how the probe got off to a bumpy start. After several suspects purchased 19 weapons at a Phoenix gun store in late 2007, Mexican officials were notified for a "possible controlled delivery." However, one ATF agent wrote that the Mexican officials only responded 20 minutes later, and informed them "they did not see the vehicle cross."

Democrats on the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee put out a statement on Issa's comments, saying his remarks "raise new questions about the genesis of Operation Fast and Furious within the Phoenix office of the ATF."

"All the evidence that I've seen points that this was more of a local issue that never got to higher-ups. And certainly there is nothing, that nobody has said that the attorney general was briefed about it," committee Ranking Member Rep. Elijah Cummings, D-Md., told CBS.

Issa is keeping his focus trained on "Fast and Furious," as well as the extent to which Justice Department officials may have been informed of the operation. Holder has said that, while memos show his office was briefed on the matter, he was unaware of the operation until earlier this year. Issa questioned how that's possible.

"So if the briefings don't matter, the attorney general says he's too busy to read most of the material put in front of him, it does beg the question of whether he has the competency to prevent 2,000 weapons from going, and a U.S. Border Patrol agent from being murdered," Issa told reporters Sunday after his interview.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...ical-to-fast-and-furious-under/#ixzz27A1GPmvd

 

[Onslow]

Very interesting.

 

[WTJ]

Yeah. Giving "tracked" weapons to a enemy in order to gather intel is not necessarily a good idea as tracking methods can be compromised.

Handing them weapons without any attempt at control is providing logistical support to that enemy.

Maybe that is the difference......