Time to boycott Goodyear

[DavidMcmillan]

Just how far are we going with the boycotts? I mean what if we find out that the Bacon Producers of America’s gave a donation to Bubba Wallace?

 

[TwoForFlinching]

That's just not ever going to happen unless people are willing to pay lots more for those things.....and they are not willing.

That's the truth of it. In a perfect world, things would be made in America by American kids for $1/day...but that'll never happen. Americans have unions, and unions push to top dollar. The more workers get, the more the union gets, pretty soon a plain white tee would run $100. Truth be told, America isn't rich enough to afford its own manufacturing anymore. At least there are plenty of US jobs that make buying that Pakistani t-shirt affordable. From shipping to checking you out at the register, those "unskilled" workers are the best of America. Manufacturing is just something we can't compete with.

 

[dennishoddy]

True. A number of parts assembled in the US can be called made in the USA. WalMart is a fraud as is GM. Send vehicles to the us with cab and chassis (for trucks) and all but the body on cars. That's what our Gov agreed would be made in America although 80% of the big bucks parts are done over seas. This agreement goes to everything you buy. Love seeing MADE IN AMERICA on clothing. How many bule bell, wrangler or clothing/apparel factories do you see here. Almost none and those get all their material from overseas.
This is our chance in making things here again

I was incensed when Lee Iacocca took over the CEO job at the Chrysler Group after leaving Ford. He was a big champion of buy American, beating his chest publicly and only allowed what he called US built vehicles to be parked close to the factory's employee doors while "foreign built" vehicles had to park in the back of the lots requiring the owners to make a long hike to get to work.
He did it as a sales gimmick to sell vehicles and was a master at that.
A couple buddies pointed that out to me when they bought vehicles from Chrysler. It wasn't hard to find out that a pretty good percentage of parts were made in Canada, Mexico, and Japan even before the internet.

 

[_CY_]

That's the truth of it. In a perfect world, things would be made in America by American kids for $1/day...but that'll never happen. Americans have unions, and unions push to top dollar. The more workers get, the more the union gets, pretty soon a plain white tee would run $100. Truth be told, America isn't rich enough to afford its own manufacturing anymore. At least there are plenty of US jobs that make buying that Pakistani t-shirt affordable. From shipping to checking you out at the register, those "unskilled" workers are the best of America. Manufacturing is just something we can't compete with.

gotta disagree .. pretty sure Americans can make T- shirts cheaper than $100 ea .. American manufacturing was once the best. President Trump using tariffs has leveled the playing field bringing jobs back to America en mass.

Americans may not be able to compete against slave labor wages. it's my belief Americans goods can be competitive even at a slight premium. there's several American jeans mfg using American made fabric at a slight premium. which I'm more than willing to pay .


Buy American! 100% American sourced and American made jeans for $30 is a no-brainer. We can't MAGA without manufacturing! (texasjeans.com)

Have not ordered from here yet, but they look pretty good: https://dearborndenim.us/collections/womens-jeans

https://www.american-giant.com/

https://americanwear.us/

The Union Line made in USA jeans are also very nice. They're a bit more spendy, but really comfortable.

https://allusaclothing.com/mens/bottoms/union-line-25305-denim-jeans-usa-made.html

let's support Roundhouse jeans. Made in Shawnee, OK. They also have overalls.

https://www.round-house.com/

 

[dennishoddy]

That's the truth of it. In a perfect world, things would be made in America by American kids for $1/day...but that'll never happen. Americans have unions, and unions push to top dollar. The more workers get, the more the union gets, pretty soon a plain white tee would run $100. Truth be told, America isn't rich enough to afford its own manufacturing anymore. At least there are plenty of US jobs that make buying that Pakistani t-shirt affordable. From shipping to checking you out at the register, those "unskilled" workers are the best of America. Manufacturing is just something we can't compete with.

Unions are what caused GM to require government bail out. Unions are what caused a lot of manufacturing including the steel industry to go overseas.
Early retirement pensions that became underfunded have causes a lot of this.

"GM has 2.5 pensioners for every active worker, the story said. Consequently, on top of any discount, each GM car or truck made this year will carry about $1,900 in pension and retiree health care costs, the Post said, citing Stephen Girsky, an industry analyst for Morgan Stanley. That's up from about $1,300 last year.

"There are more health care costs in a car than steel," Girsky said.

The other Detroit companies also carry "legacy-cost" (pensions and health care expenses) but they're significantly lower — about $1,100 per vehicle for Chrysler unit and about $900 for Ford.

Foreign-owned carmakers have much less of a legacy cost burden. They haven't been in business long enough in the U.S. to have many retirees. Nissan's oldest plant in the United States in Smyrna, Tennessee has about 700 people on its pension rolls, giving them a decided advantage in the marketplace and a significant edge in profitability. In 2002, Nissan's profit per vehicle was $2,069, while GM eked out $701 per car, according to Harbour & Associates."

 

[TwoForFlinching]

gotta disagree .. pretty sure Americans can make T- shirts cheaper than $100 ea .. American manufacturing was once the best. President Trump using tariffs has leveled the playing field bringing jobs back to America en mass.

Americans may not be able to compete against slave labor wages. it's my belief Americans goods can be competitive even at a slight premium. there's several American jeans mfg using American made fabric at a slight premium. which I'm more than willing to pay .


Buy American! 100% American sourced and American made jeans for $30 is a no-brainer. We can't MAGA without manufacturing! (texasjeans.com)

Have not ordered from here yet, but they look pretty good: https://dearborndenim.us/collections/womens-jeans

https://www.american-giant.com/

https://americanwear.us/

The Union Line made in USA jeans are also very nice. They're a bit more spendy, but really comfortable.

https://allusaclothing.com/mens/bottoms/union-line-25305-denim-jeans-usa-made.html

let's support Roundhouse jeans. Made in Shawnee, OK. They also have overalls.

https://www.round-house.com/

I like my round house overalls. Have had a couple different pairs over the years. I used to buy a lot of carhartt too, but they got so expensive and dickies makes identical dungarees, can't blame the people getting 3-for-1 on samesies pants.

 

[RugersGR8]

Anyone remember the deadly Ford-Firestone tire fiasco or does anyone own a motor home that has Goodyear tires on it? Give this a watch:


Tire Safety Questions | Full Measure
Full Measure with Sharyl Attkisson
Feb 17, 2020

 

[dennishoddy]

Anyone remember the deadly Ford-Firestone tire fiasco or does anyone own a motor home that has Goodyear tires on it? Give this a watch:


Tire Safety Questions | Full Measure
Full Measure with Sharyl Attkisson
Feb 17, 2020

Those tires were discontinued almost 20 years ago. Wrong tire for the application.
In these days of social media, tire discussions among RV owners are constantly going on because most RV factory’s original equipment tires are commonly called “China bombs”. They have a low speed rating with barely enough load rating. They come apart violently and cause lots of damage when they do.
It’s common now to get rid of the China bombs, and replace with Goodyear endurance tires that have the proper load and speed ratings.

 

[Snattlerake]

Unions are what caused GM to require government bail out. Unions are what caused a lot of manufacturing including the steel industry to go overseas.
Early retirement pensions that became underfunded have causes a lot of this.

"GM has 2.5 pensioners for every active worker, the story said. Consequently, on top of any discount, each GM car or truck made this year will carry about $1,900 in pension and retiree health care costs, the Post said, citing Stephen Girsky, an industry analyst for Morgan Stanley. That's up from about $1,300 last year.

"There are more health care costs in a car than steel," Girsky said.

The other Detroit companies also carry "legacy-cost" (pensions and health care expenses) but they're significantly lower — about $1,100 per vehicle for Chrysler unit and about $900 for Ford.

Foreign-owned carmakers have much less of a legacy cost burden. They haven't been in business long enough in the U.S. to have many retirees. Nissan's oldest plant in the United States in Smyrna, Tennessee has about 700 people on its pension rolls, giving them a decided advantage in the marketplace and a significant edge in profitability. In 2002, Nissan's profit per vehicle was $2,069, while GM eked out $701 per car, according to Harbour & Associates."

Don't get me started on unions and GM!

 

[TedKennedy]

Unions are what caused GM to require government bail out. Unions are what caused a lot of manufacturing including the steel industry to go overseas.
Early retirement pensions that became underfunded have causes a lot of this.

"GM has 2.5 pensioners for every active worker, the story said. Consequently, on top of any discount, each GM car or truck made this year will carry about $1,900 in pension and retiree health care costs, the Post said, citing Stephen Girsky, an industry analyst for Morgan Stanley. That's up from about $1,300 last year.

"There are more health care costs in a car than steel," Girsky said.

The other Detroit companies also carry "legacy-cost" (pensions and health care expenses) but they're significantly lower — about $1,100 per vehicle for Chrysler unit and about $900 for Ford.

Foreign-owned carmakers have much less of a legacy cost burden. They haven't been in business long enough in the U.S. to have many retirees. Nissan's oldest plant in the United States in Smyrna, Tennessee has about 700 people on its pension rolls, giving them a decided advantage in the marketplace and a significant edge in profitability. In 2002, Nissan's profit per vehicle was $2,069, while GM eked out $701 per car, according to Harbour & Associates."

That's interesting. I always thought both management and union representatives had to agree on contracts. How does the blame for whatever ills befall a company rest solely on the union? Maybe just gutless management shifting the blame?