Tribal hunting/fishing compacts expiring

[dennishoddy]

They arent required to do any such thing, they do what will benefit there casinos. Roads, interchanges, improved access. And yes, they "help" pay. Thackerville interchange at MM 1 was a $40 mil. project, they gave ODOT 16 mil. They made that back in 4 days from that casino...yep, $4 mil per day of TX money coming in. I learned this attending meetings down there with the tribe. I did the early conceptual design of that interchange.

If that is the case, why did the Osage casinos resurface an asphalt road that is 25 miles long from Ponca to Fairfax along the river that doesn't come near their casino and why have they asphalted roads in parts of Kay county in areas where the nearest casino is 10 miles away? There is no direct benefit to those casinos by resurfacing those roads.
I can see them cost sharing the interchanges that improve traffic to their facilities, but that is not what happens around here. One of the roughest roads in Osage County is an access road to the Osage casino in the McCord area. One would think they would want that road put into a super two but it's barely passable.

 

[dennishoddy]

Ooookay . . . I missed the press conference. I was actually working at the time.

Like a good conservative!

 

[Shadowrider]

I will say that I fully see the idea that how tribes operate (in all aspects) is often a double edged sword. Tribe buys land and immediately places it in a Federal trust (the state loses property taxes) and then builds a tribal business that may or may not pay the state anything.

Heck, folks living in Ada might not even be eligible to vote for the most important local election unless they're Chickasaw.

Same for folks in Tahlequah unless they're Cherokee.

Nah. The state doesn't lose anything on property taxes, because the state gets nothing from property taxes in the first place. So when the tribes contribute through their business taxes, and some do, the state gets something for nothing.

 

[BobbyV]

Nah. The state doesn't lose anything on property taxes, because the state gets nothing from property taxes in the first place. So when the tribes contribute through their business taxes, and some do, the state gets something for nothing.

The state gets nothing from property taxes? Those go straight to the county or something?

 

[BobbyV]

If that is the case, why did the Osage casinos resurface an asphalt road that is 25 miles long from Ponca to Fairfax along the river that doesn't come near their casino and why have they asphalted roads in parts of Kay county in areas where the nearest casino is 10 miles away? There is no direct benefit to those casinos by resurfacing those roads.
I can see them cost sharing the interchanges that improve traffic to their facilities, but that is not what happens around here. One of the roughest roads in Osage County is an access road to the Osage casino in the McCord area. One would think they would want that road put into a super two but it's barely passable.

They did the same when they built that casino out in the middle of no where near Bartlesville.

 

[Shadowrider]

The state gets nothing from property taxes? Those go straight to the county or something?

Yes. The county gets it.

 

[SoonerP226]

Yes. The county gets it.

The county gets some of it. In my case, Cleveland County gets about 17% of it; the rest goes to Norman Public Schools and Moore-Norman Technology Center (and MNTC gets about as much as the county, with NPS getting roughly 2/3rds of it).

But yes, the state gets $0 of my property taxes.

 

[BobbyV]

The county gets some of it. In my case, Cleveland County gets about 17% of it; the rest goes to Norman Public Schools and Moore-Norman Technology Center (and MNTC gets about as much as the county, with NPS getting roughly 2/3rds of it).

But yes, the state gets $0 of my property taxes.

Still seems like they do get some of it indirectly though . . . oh well.

 

[SoonerP226]

Still seems like they do get some of it indirectly though . . . oh well.

Oh, I would be surprised if they didn't manage to claim some of it. "Hmm, NPS, your property tax collections went up, so we'll send you a little less money this year." That sort of thing.

At least the property tax envelope still goes to a county office, unlike my City of Norman trash bill, which has an OKC address on it. But I'm sure the state doesn't collect any vig off of that, they just handle it out of the goodness of their hearts...

 

[CHenry]

If that is the case, why did the Osage casinos resurface an asphalt road that is 25 miles long from Ponca to Fairfax along the river that doesn't come near their casino and why have they asphalted roads in parts of Kay county in areas where the nearest casino is 10 miles away? There is no direct benefit to those casinos by resurfacing those roads.
I can see them cost sharing the interchanges that improve traffic to their facilities, but that is not what happens around here. One of the roughest roads in Osage County is an access road to the Osage casino in the McCord area. One would think they would want that road put into a super two but it's barely passable.

I wasn't aware of that.