Tulsa PD shoots unarmed black man

[dennishoddy]

http://lawofficer.com/2016/09/detectivetulsa/

A good read IMO...

Very good read. Thanks for posting it.

 

[Eagle Eye]

http://lawofficer.com/2016/09/detectivetulsa/

A good read IMO...

Worth reposting. Excellent story that helps put the ordinary citizen into the shoes of a police officer.

The question I am wondering is did she shoot a 9mm, .40, or 45 acp?

 

[Glocktogo]

Worth reposting. Excellent story that helps put the ordinary citizen into the shoes of a police officer.

The question I am wondering is did she shoot a 9mm, .40, or 45 acp?

The author of this story, or the TPD officer?

 

[Eagle Eye]

LoL the TPD officer

 

[Glocktogo]

Is the 'fear' of a gun being enough to elicit deadly force not give the conceal/carry crowd pause? I mean we've talked about whether the cops arrived amped up, and how fear of 'maybe' there is a gun is enough to shoot.

so, what happens if they tell you to raise your arms (which you do) and you reveal an actual gun?

I'm not trying to play devils advocate here, but if the fear that 'he might have a gun' is enough to shoot, what does that mean if you are in the situation where you *do* have a gun that they see?

Fear of a gun isn't justification. Actually having a gun in hand and failing to obey commands is. I'd suggest you check your CCW garment by raising both hands above shoulder level in the mirror before leaving home. If it shows, your shirt is too short.

 

[Glocktogo]

LoL the TPD officer

TPD issue is a Glock 22C .40.

 

[magna19]

IMO being that close to the guy at gun point her finger was probably in trigger guard and she fired responding to the taser being fired. It looks like she reacts to her own weapon being fired with a side step to cover after she fired.

 

[magna19]

TPD issue is a Glock 22C .40.

I wonder if the trigger was altered in any way on her weapon. With what seems to be a low number of shots fired from her gun would make me think she wasn't meaning to fire. If you read the http://lawofficer.com/2016/09/detectivetulsa/ article it seems like she may have not been able to handle the close range, big bad dude on pcp, with finger on trigger scenario, (if that is what happen.)

 

[dugby]

Wouldn't a sympathetic response from the taser firing be something that would separate the sound of the Taser from the sound of the shot by 1/2 second or so? I would think if that were the case you would hear 2 sounds in place of just one in the video. Maybe the deployment of the taser is just much quitter than I would imagine?

 

[Riley]

This is kind of an interesting exercise in time frames....

http://bearingarms.com/bob-o/2016/09/29/police-sometimes-shoot-unarmed-people/

Also shows why military ROE is not really appropriate for the up close and personal interactions police deal with daily. Simply put, you can't do the job and survive following general military engagement requirements...