Who Defends Our Right to Free Speech?

[Lurker66]

The difference here is that the definition incite and insult are different. Insulting someone is not the same as inciting someone.

For example. Mr. Sharif incited a riot (allegedly)
(Reuters) - A Kenyan Muslim cleric accused by Washington of supporting al Qaeda-linked militants in Somalia was charged on Monday with inciting violent protests that rocked the port city of Mombasa last week.
Abubaker Sharif allegedly urged protesters to burn down churches and kill police officers in Kenya's second-biggest city during riots that killed five people, including three police.

Whereas the douche who made the movie insulted people.

If the intent was to insult, did he get the desired reaction?
See when someone insults you they are looking for a reaction or to retaliate for something, although some people may insult for any reason.

Do you think this guy was just making a cheap movie without intending to get a reaction from muslims? ********, he did it to piss them off. He may not have intended for riots to break out but neither did the guy who yelled "fire" in the theatre. It was just a joke. Jokes aint free speech when the results are riots and deaths.

 

[reddog1]

I'm still limping from the beating I took with the 1st Amendment stick, for voicing similar opinioins.

A day without an OSA beating is a day wasted in the search for the truth IMO.

 

[uncle money bags]

If the intent was to insult, did he get the desired reaction?
See when someone insults you they are looking for a reaction or to retaliate for something, although some people may insult for any reason.

Do you think this guy was just making a cheap movie without intending to get a reaction from muslims? ********, he did it to piss them off. He may not have intended for riots to break out but neither did the guy who yelled "fire" in the theatre. It was just a joke. Jokes aint free speech when the results are riots and deaths.

I think you are missing my point. In essence, I consider myself to be a reasonable man. There is nothing any body could say to me that will insult me so bad that I will kill them for it. So what if he was trying to piss them off. People who stomp on the flag or burn it piss me off. Are you saying that a reasonable response to being insulted is to respond with violence? Yelling fire is an incitement because "fire" by its nature is a real threat to somebody's person. Yelling Allah is a pedophile does not pose the same risk.

 

[Hobbes]

A day without an OSA beating is a day wasted in the search for the truth IMO.

There are few wasted days though.

You post some far out kooky stuff but at least you have a sense of humor and you don't get personal like some do.

 

[Lurker66]

Yelling allah is a pedophile in certain muslim countries is a killing offence. Their culture is different than ours. Reason and reasonableness is not universal. Each culture determines what is reasonable, surely, as a reasonable person, you understand that.

 

[Lurker66]

A day without an OSA beating is a day wasted in the search for the truth IMO.

Truth is subjective.

 

[uncle money bags]

Yelling allah is a pedophile in certain muslim countries is a killing offence. Their culture is different than ours. Reason and reasonableness is not universal. Each culture determines what is reasonable, surely, as a reasonable person, you understand that.

Yep i do understand that. So why kill 4 people who had absolutely zero to do with the movie? Were those four men responsible for what some nimwit stateside did? Were they just convenient targets?

 

[Dale00]

Yelling allah is a pedophile in certain muslim countries is a killing offence. Their culture is different than ours. Reason and reasonableness is not universal. Each culture determines what is reasonable, surely, as a reasonable person, you understand that.

I believe that we (all people) have certain inalienable rights and that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. It is not just a matter of other countries. Freedom of speech is being discouraged right here. I understand not wanting to provoke zealots if we exercise free speech, but I also fear the long term effect on our liberty. It is a dilemma.

 

[reddog1]

It was a planned attack. Planned by the elite.

The whole damned fiasco over there is.

 

[Hobbes]

Yep i do understand that. So why kill 4 people who had absolutely zero to do with the movie? Were those four men responsible for what some nimwit stateside did? Were they just convenient targets?

In most of those countries they have no idea what free speech rights are because they never had any.

To them, it's inconceivable that a film like that could be made without at least the approval, and at most the support, of our government.
You should know that.

They probably think the film is part of some big hollywood production that was financed by the government.