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frankos72

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I'm a Christian, and I believe God created the earth from nothing, a long, long time ago. (millions of years)
I believe He set natural laws in place that allowed for different species to adapt and evolve.

My stance as well... Micro evolution seems to have been proven. Macro...not so much. Add I understand it, there are far too many gasps in the fossil record to show complete evolution.

I also believe there could very likely be life on other planets, also created by God. I plan to get to the bottom of it all after I die.
 

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Evolution is a stupid theory. If you look at the big picture it just isn't possible for a star to have exploded and then everything formed out of that matter. Then everything just miraculously evolved into what there is today. Look at how complex the human body is. That had to be created by God. There is no other feasible way for it to have occurred. Yes we are very similar to apes but we are also very similar to pigs. Does that mean we evolved from them? I just don't see how someone can actually believe that we evolved. And why did it just stop happening all of the sudden? There are just too many holes in that theory. But people are free to believe it all they want. Just like I am free to believe in my God. I took astronomy in college and I wrote my paper in Christianity and the theory of evolution. My professor could not tell me definitively that evolution or the Big Bang theory actually happened. He got stumped everytime I had a conversation about it. Sure the same can be said about Christianity but to me the proof is all around us. I look at it in the mirror everyday. And when people talk about how they know things based on carbon dating. That is Innaccurate. The amount of radiation back then was much different than today so that method is not accurate.

Whatever the "big bang" may have been, you can be pretty sure it wasn't an exploding star. Why does complexity prove the hand of God?

There are other feasible ways to explain a lot of stuff, you just haven't looked enough.

We are similar to apes, but probably just descended from a common ancestor. Similarity to pigs is, in genetic terms, less. We are also similar in many ways to the three toed sloth (my totem animal!) and to every form of animal life on the planet.

Carbon dating has been extensively debunked by magical thinkers. Amount of radiation has nothing to do with decay rates, whether it's a lot or a little bit of radiation.

Unfortunately, your post is like many. You want to show that science either backs up your view of reality, or that it is a complete hoax.

If your faith is strong, science should not threaten it. If it isn't strong, no amount of railing against science will save it. The two are different. Faith, real faith, doesn't need it, and is not threatened by it.
 

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Whatever the "big bang" may have been, you can be pretty sure it wasn't an exploding star. Why does complexity prove the hand of God?

There are other feasible ways to explain a lot of stuff, you just haven't looked enough.

We are similar to apes, but probably just descended from a common ancestor. Similarity to pigs is, in genetic terms, less. We are also similar in many ways to the three toed sloth (my totem animal!) and to every form of animal life on the planet.

Carbon dating has been extensively debunked by magical thinkers. Amount of radiation has nothing to do with decay rates, whether it's a lot or a little bit of radiation.

Unfortunately, your post is like many. You want to show that science either backs up your view of reality, or that it is a complete hoax.

If your faith is strong, science should not threaten it. If it isn't strong, no amount of railing against science will save it. The two are different. Faith, real faith, doesn't need it, and is not threatened by it.

Even real faith needs science to prove God. Why pray if it's in God's hands? Why believe and be afraid of anything? Why worry about anything?

True faith and real believers would walk around like they were born, eating whatever God intended or provided, much like the original Adam or earth creature in the garden of talking serpents.
 

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This has been a great thread. I grew up in a Christian home going to church. I knew I didn't come from a monkey. I was a biology major in college. Here are my thoughts:
Simple version evolution is change over time. This can apply to the church and why we have so many flavors of religion since the pilgrims landed on the mayflower or the current flu virus that is going around because the flu shot was not as effective this year as it has been the past couple of years.
How the earth and planets came about call it what you want, to complex for me to worry about. The big bang theory is right there with who invented the internet way to complex for a simple guy like me.

Most evolution disproved books that I saw in the 90's were printed in the early part of that century.

I remember the preacher saying you can't put dirt in a box and create life but god created life from dirt. I remember thinking you can put dirt in a box and pray for it all you want & you still won't have a VCR either, but man found a way to build a VCR.

For the people that believe the earth is 10,000 years old do you believe just the tigris - Euphrates area was flooded or the entire earth was flooded (referring to Noah), if entire earth was flooded why are certain animals endemic to certain parts of the world kangaroos, armadillos & zebras.

I took several Indian studies classes and that really opened my eyes that there are hundreds of creational myths out there, I had grew up thinking you had to be christian or you were hell bound, I thought, so what happens to those non Christian people.
Just a few thoughts
 

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We don't have to look only at the fossil record to find evidence of macro evolution.
There are living examples! These are often found on Islands.

Where do we stand with the idea of plate tectonics. A long time a ago, in a galaxy far away... wait no, different story.
A long time ago many continents were directly connected. Pangea (SPDguns says look it up) :)
Due to plate movement, pieces of continents broke off and moved away from the main continents. Madagascar is on example of this. Now, The day that the island "broke off" the animals on what will become Madagascar were similar to those on the main land. Now add thousands of years of isolation. Animals on madagascar changed so much from those on the main land, due to evolution via natural selection, that they are now considered new species.
 

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Debunking the myths of plate tectonics

http://users.indigo.net.au/don/nonsense/

What i have read so far is that the claims made on this website are not supported by science. The authors makes statements that knowledge of plate tectonics are untrue or nonsense and provides nothing more than an OPINION on how things are different than science tell us. He makes exactly 0 measurements and presents exactly 0 data points on how plate tectonics is not real. His evidence is conjecture.

here is an article that summarizes the evidence that disproves this mans theory

here is a link to the original scientific article
 

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