And this is why I hate to fly

[SoonerP226]

Where the heck is Pothole Pete on this problem?
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Well, hopefully he is hiding in a pothole. That's preferable to the normal gov't action of making things worse.

 

[Lakenut]

Instead of jumping to the “the .gov needs to step in and fix this” response…. Give it time and free market will sort this out.

I don’t fly much… in the past I have been a big fan of SWA. However, after the last couple of months I don’t see myself looking to fly with them next time. Lots of people probably feel the same. SWA will have to fix this or the other carriers will be happy to take on the market share and fix the bigger picture problem of moving people for them.

 

[streak]

You forgot that now you stuck between 2 18 year old millennials that both suffer from PTSD and have large service dogs.

Stupid ass people, I feel sorry for the dogs.

Ummm, us millennials are in our 40’s now. Get your gens right boomer

 

[streak]

From a good fiend who's a private pilot who's friends with a SW pilot who shared another SW pilot's thoughts. This is from his FB post a couple hours ago....

"For those I know who got caught up in the nightmare created by Southwest this holiday season and would like to know the why.

Here is a letter written by a pilot with 13 more years than my 22 at this once (and hopefully again) wonderful company.

What happened to Southwest Airlines?

I’ve been a pilot for Southwest Airlines for over 35 years. I’ve given my heart and soul to Southwest Airlines during those years. And quite honestly Southwest Airlines has given its heart and soul to me and my family.

Many of you have asked what caused this epic meltdown. Unfortunately, the frontline employees have been watching this meltdown coming like a slow motion train wreck for sometime. And we’ve been begging our leadership to make much needed changes in order to avoid it. What happened yesterday started two decades ago.

Herb Kelleher was the brilliant CEO of SWA until 2004. He was a very operationally oriented leader. Herb spent lots of time on the front line. He always had his pulse on the day to day operation and the people who ran it. That philosophy flowed down through the ranks of leadership to the front line managers. We were a tight operation from top to bottom. We had tools, leadership and employee buy in. Everything that was needed to run a first class operation. When Herb retired in 2004 Gary Kelly became the new CEO.

Gary was an accountant by education and his style leading Southwest Airlines became more focused on finances and less on operations. He did not spend much time on the front lines. He didn’t engage front line employees much. When the CEO doesn’t get out in the trenches the neither do the lower levels of leadership.

Gary named another accountant to be Chief Operating Officer (the person responsible for day to day operations). The new COO had little or no operational background. This trickled down through the lower levels of leadership, as well.

They all disengaged the operation, disengaged the employees and focused more on Return on Investment, stock buybacks and Wall Street. This approach worked for Gary’s first 8 years because we were still riding the strong wave that Herb had built.

But as time went on the operation began to deteriorate. There was little investment in upgrading technology (after all, how do you measure the return on investing in infrastructure?) or the tools we needed to operate efficiently and consistently. As the frontline employees began to see the deterioration in our operation we began to warn our leadership. We educated them, we informed them and we made suggestions to them. But to no avail. The focus was on finances not operations. As we saw more and more deterioration in our operation our asks turned to pleas. Our pleas turned to dire warnings. But they went unheeded. After all, the stock price was up so what could be wrong?

We were a motivated, willing and proud employee group wanting to serve our customers and uphold the tradition of our beloved airline, the airline we built and the airline that the traveling public grew to cheer for and luv. But we were watching in frustration and disbelief as our once amazing airline was becoming a house of cards.

A half dozen small scale meltdowns occurred during the mid to late 2010’s. With each mini meltdown Leadership continued to ignore the pleas and warnings of the employees in the trenches. We were still operating with 1990’s technology. We didn’t have the tools we needed on the line to operate the sophisticated and large airline we had become. We could see that the wheels were about ready to fall off the bus. But no one in leadership would heed our pleas.

When COVID happened SWA scaled back considerably (as did all of the airlines) for about two years. This helped conceal the serious problems in technology, infrastructure and staffing that were occurring and being ignored. But as we ramped back up the lack of attention to the operation was waiting to show its ugly head.

Gary Kelly retired as CEO in early 2022. Bob Jordan was named CEO. He was a more operationally oriented leader. He replaced our Chief Operating Officer with a very smart man and they announced their priority would be to upgrade our airline’s technology and provide the frontline employees the operational tools we needed to care for our customers and employees. Finally, someone acknowledged the elephant in the room.

But two decades of neglect takes several years to overcome. And, unfortunately to our horror, our house of cards came tumbling down this week as a routine winter storm broke our 1990’s operating system.

The frontline employees were ready and on station. We were properly staffed. We were at the airports. Hell, we were ON the airplanes. But our antiquated software systems failed coupled with a decades old system of having to manage 20,000 frontline employees by phone calls. No automation had been developed to run this sophisticated machine.

We had a routine winter storm across the Midwest last Thursday. A larger than normal number flights were cancelled as a result. But what should have been one minor inconvenient day of travel turned into this nightmare. After all, American, United, Delta and the other airlines operated with only minor flight disruptions.

The two decades of neglect by SWA leadership caused the airline to lose track of all its crews. ALL of us. We were there. With our customers. At the jet. Ready to go. But there was no way to assign us. To confirm us. To release us to fly the flight. And we watched as our customers got stranded without their luggage missing their Christmas holiday.

I believe that our new CEO Bob Jordan inherited a MESS. This meltdown was not his failure but the failure of those before him. I believe he has the right priorities. But it will take time to right this ship. A few years at a minimum. Old leaders need to be replaced. Operationally oriented managers need to be brought in. I hope and pray Bob can execute on his promises to fix our once proud airline. Time will tell.

It’s been a punch in the gut for us frontline employees. We care for the traveling public. We have spent our entire careers serving you. Safely. Efficiently. With luv and pride. We are horrified. We are sorry. We are sorry for the chaos, inconvenience and frustration our airline caused you. We are angry. We are embarrassed. We are sad. Like you, the traveling public, we have been let down by our own leaders.

Herb once said the the biggest threat to Southwest Airlines will come from within. Not from other airlines. What a visionary he was. I miss Herb now more than ever."

I got to hear Herb Speak last year at our company meeting. Tons of insite. Also as an accountant I must agree that accountants have zero business running a company. There is no opportunity for growth with accountants. Only a focus on the money. Which long term kills a company if they stop developing themselves to make ROI today.

 

[Camo]

Ummm, us millennials are in our 40’s now. Get your gens right boomer

Your correct in this story but the millennials started this crap, gen z just took the free handout. No concern for anyone else or the dog. Ridiculous.

 

[Camo]

Instead of jumping to the “the .gov needs to step in and fix this” response…. Give it time and free market will sort this out.

I don’t fly much… in the past I have been a big fan of SWA. However, after the last couple of months I don’t see myself looking to fly with them next time. Lots of people probably feel the same. SWA will have to fix this or the other carriers will be happy to take on the market share and fix the bigger picture problem of moving people for them.

Over the last 2 years SWA has failed over and over. My company considers them too unreliable to even bother with. None are perfect but SWA is a 50 percent gamble every time.

 

[Virtuaguyver]

I don't fly either, too many bad experiences

 

[O4L]

Sad situation. It's been around 25 years since I've flown but SWA was a great airline then.

I know a guy that worked on the ground crew for SWA for 40 years and just retired a year or so ago. It would be interesting to hear his take on this.

 

[jakeman]

I got to hear Herb Speak last year at our company meeting. Tons of insite. Also as an accountant I must agree that accountants have zero business running a company. There is no opportunity for growth with accountants. Only a focus on the money. Which long term kills a company if they stop developing themselves to make ROI today.

Where exactly was your company meeting? Cause Herb died in 2019.

 

[TANSTAAFL]

You forgot that now you stuck between 2 18 year old millennials that both suffer from PTSD and have large service dogs.

Stupid ass people, I feel sorry for the dogs.

With the luck I've had on flights they would have a support goat and a support Shetland pony who both have gas and diarrhea from airport food.