Are you willing to kill a man over a microphone? This Norman man apparently was

[waltham41]

If there is any justice in this world, he at least hit the fleeing vehicle, and the cost of fixing the bullet hole is greater than the cost of the mike the POS stole.

 

[Sharingan]

I dont think Im capable of shooting someone 'in the back' who no longer view as a threat, even if they are stealing something from me..

..Now if it was something material that I cared about that much, I wouldnt allow myself to be put into a position to allow someone to walk off with if it at all possible.. I guess then that would force someone to have to physically attack me to take said material item. That is an entirely different situation and I wouldnt have an issue responding in self defense if I felt my life was threatened. .02

-Will

 

[Old Fart]

What if microphone is code for something else?

 

[TedKennedy]

The value of a human life is more than that of a microphone

... unless you let pride tip the scales.

Have we really forgotten this people? What has happened to us?

The value of MY life is more than that of a microphone. That's why I don't steal microphones.

 

[Blinocac200sx]

It's easy for us to sit back and judge, but what if this guy was selling that mic to buy food or medicine for his family. It'd be awfully easy to lose your head if your family is in need. Wrong, sure, but hard for me to throw stones at him.

 

[TedKennedy]

It's easy for us to sit back and judge, but what if this guy was selling that mic to buy food or medicine for his family. It'd be awfully easy to lose your head if your family is in need. Wrong, sure, but hard for me to throw stones at him.

It's his property. Doesn't matter if he's rich or poor, it's still his property. We have reached a point where personal property is not respected, either by criminals or the government. (some make a distinction) Law-abiding citizens are villified for standing up to criminals. Some 19-year old thug gets killed, and many will claim what a terrible thing it is for them to be taken at such a young age. Wrong - take them out before they can multiply (19 is way too late for many), and breed another generation of parasites.

Maybe the law says different, but "the law is a ass".

 

[ez bake]

It's not so much the microphone. . .it's the idea of personal property being stolen and you not being able to do anything. Does anybody really think law enforcement is gonna do ANYTHING if you call and say "hey, a guy just stole a microphone from me?"

So at what point would you be willing to kill to protect property? Somebody stealing your flat screen TeeVee? Somebody taking your boat? Somebody burning down your (empty of human life) house? At some point, I have days/weeks/months/years of my *life* tied up in whatever you are taking. You may in fact be taking my very livelihood (which is why rustlers used to be hung from the closest tree).

So. . .you (and I'm speaking of the generic "you", not a particular person in this thread) say you can't kill over property, yet you are willing to call law enforcement who will come (with force. . .and bringing the possibility of death) to capture the person who stole from you.

I'm not gonna argue that shooting somebody for a $50 microphone is okay. I am gonna argue that thieves are less like to ply their trade if they think there is a heightened chance of death involved.

All good points except for the last sentence. If thieves thought there would be a chance they might get shot at, do you really think they'll hesitate to bring along their own gun and ensure that nobody can shoot back? I'm not talking about self-defense here and the logic that goes along with it, I'm talking about a thief having to worry that after they leave you, they might get a shot in the back.

 

[SoonerP226]

I've killed for less

I shot a man in Reno just to watch him die.



No, wait, that was Johnny Cash. Carry on.

 

[SoonerBorn]

My personal property was acquired through my labor either for direct trade or through currency to purchase; therefore, I used a piece of my finite life on this earth to acquire the property and the property directly reflects a piece of my life. It's not a philosophy, it's a fact. I'm a free individual and decide the direction my life goes, if I decide to kill someone for taking my property then it is my decision and my decision alone; I alone will deal with the legal ramifications, no one else.

 

[HMFIC]

[my use of "you" in this is not directed personally to anyone in particular... it's a general statement]

In a circumstance where someone has stolen something and is running away, it's probably wise to just forget it. I can't run that fast anymore and I'd hate to hurt myself or an innocent person when giving pursuit. A robber fleeing from me causes me no imminent danger.

In a circumstance where someone is actively attempting to rob me, I will assess the situation and consider my options. I will likely put up resistance. If the other guy causes me to feel my life is in danger, (in other words, if HE decides that stealing from me is worth causing me serious or deadly injury), then I will defend myself with an appropriate response.


I'll say it again in a different way for those who think that there is some other point to protecting property... because it's true, the value of the microphone isn't the core issue; there is another point. The problem is that point is usually not economically sound nor is it related to a livelihood nor will it mean much of anything in the long run as some have eluded to. The point IS that if you let your EGO and your PRIDE get the best of you, you will likely make a decision that isn't for the best. You may kill a man out of EGO or PRIDE. Are you willing to do that?

With respect to whether or not a thief is a P.O.S., you'll get no argument from me. I hate thieves. That said, is it your job to rid the world of them? Do they deserve to die at your hand for the good of the human race? Should you alone determine if their linage ends with your bullet? I hope nobody decides your fate using such arbitrary and failed judgement.