Bengazi

[tran]

Actually Dennis they'll have until January to shred documents and computers will mysteriously have hard drive failures etc. I want a new President but I want a Congress with balls enough to impeach worse. They are so wussified, it's like we have no checks on the system.

Amen!

 

[dennishoddy]

More stories coming out now about the Navy seals were ordered to STAND DOWN, and did not follow orders. They went to assist fellow Americans that were under fire from the CIA compound about a mile away. They were killed. One had a laser designater directed on the mortar that killed Americans but no support came from the administration that knew about it. He was also killed.

Heads need to roll. Drones have video. Flash digital communications were passed, that go directly to Africcom in Germany, and to the White House situation room/Military assistant to the president that carries the football. The president knew within moments after the attack took place. The State Department knew within moments. Africom knew within moments. All had the authority to send help, and help was within one hour away from the conflict. Delta Force units were two hours away.

Criminal charges MUST be looked into.

The Freeking congress of the united states has not even called for an investigation!

WTF??

 

[Shadowrider]

What the hell is Congress doing? They are writing letters when they should be issuing subpoenas. I'd have the head of CIA, SECDEF, State, the Joint Chiefs and the entire WH staff in there including POTUS.

Now for a hypothetical. What do you think we would know if the dims still controlled congress?

 

[Dale00]

... to launch a military operation against an al-Qaida affiliate on the anniversary of 9/11 would have exposed the hollowness of their boast through convention week and the days thereafter – that Osama was dead, and al-Qaida was finished.

And so Ty Woods, Glen Doherty, Sean Smith and Chris Stevens were left to die, and a decision taken to blame an entirely irrelevant video and, as Secretary Clinton threatened, "have that person arrested." And, in the weeks that followed, the government of the United States lied to its own citizens as thoroughly and energetically as any totalitarian state, complete with the midnight knock-on-the-door from not-so-secret policemen sent to haul the designated fall guy into custody.

This goes far beyond the instinctive secretiveness to which even democratic governments are prone. The Obama administration created a wholly fictional storyline, and devoted its full resources to maintaining it....

- Mark Steyn http://www.ocregister.com/opinion/obama-375873-video-one.html

 

[Dale00]

...The security officer had a laser on the target that was firing and repeatedly requested back-up support from a Specter gunship, which is commonly used by U.S. Special Operations forces to provide support to Special Operations teams on the ground involved in intense firefights. The fighting at the CIA annex went on for more than four hours - enough time for any planes based in Sigonella Air base, just 480 miles away, to arrive. Fox News has also learned that two separate Tier One Special operations forces were told to wait, among them Delta Force operators....

Update: BlackFive confirmed with a retired Delta operator: The fact that ground personnel were painting the target says there was a Spectre on station.

Having spent a good bit of time nursing a GLD (ground Laser Designator) in several garden spots around the world, something from the report jumped out at me.
One of the former SEALs was actively painting the target. That means that Specter WAS ON STATION! Probably an AC130U. A ground laser designator is not a briefing pointer laser. You do not “paint” a target until the weapons system/designator is synched; which means that the AC130 was on station.
Only two places could have called off the attack at that point; the WH situation command (based on POTUS direction) or AFRICOM commander based on information directly from the target area.
If the AC130 never left Sigonella (as Penetta [sic] says) that means that the Predator that was filming the whole thing was armed.
If that SEAL was actively “painting” a target; something was on station to engage! And the decision to stand down goes directly to POTUS!

http://pjmedia.com/tatler/2012/10/26/ac-130u-gunship-was-on-scene-in-benghazi-obama-admin-refused-to-let-it-fire/?singlepage=true

Damning information, if it is correct.

 

[Shadowrider]

http://pjmedia.com/tatler/2012/10/26/ac-130u-gunship-was-on-scene-in-benghazi-obama-admin-refused-to-let-it-fire/?singlepage=true

Damning information, if it is correct.

Yep. If correct it just adds another "why?" question. I've been asking why was our Ambassador even there? Well with this you have to add why were military assets that were available not brought to bear? I'm sure there will be many more why?s before it's all over.

 

[doctorjj]

It was an arms deal gone bad. We supplied them with arms and now that they are in power, we want our unused weapons back. They don't want to give them to us.

 

[dennishoddy]

The weapons they are looking for are shoulder fired infra red heat seeking missiles. They could be theoretically used to bring down commercial airliners, and now they are in the hands is Islamic militants.

 

[dennishoddy]

Amazing! Leon Panetta just made the comment that they didn't have enough information about the attack on the embassy to send reinforcements until it was already over. Considering all of the information and facts already in this thread, about the real time broadcast, and repeated calls for help, he is lying like the rest of the administration.

 

[OKC03Cobra]

Post from a former SEAL at Free Republic:

Panetta is lying to cover his a$$. How do I know?

Long ago I was a SEAL officer and I attended many joint and combined operational planning meetings in the USA, abroad, and on ships at sea. This type of rescue mission is called a “NEO” operation, for Non-combatant Evacuation Operation. Every embassy and consulate has and practices all kinds of emergency evac plans, in concert with the US military.

For example, Marines and SEALs practice NEO ops prior to deploying on every float, as a VERY high priority mission. They involve full dress-rehearsals, with civilian role players, helos, landing craft, rounding up stranded stragglers, opfor ambushes, role-playing “angry mobs,” fighting your way to LZs or even beaches while protecting a gaggle of civilians down to babies etc. Conducting successful NEO ops is a TOP TOP TOP military and state department mission priority. I cannot emphasize this enough. NEO ops are planned and practiced over and over and over.

When the alarm goes off worldwide that an embassy or consulate is being attacked, the entire U.S. military swings into rescue mode, without waiting for any orders from the White House. The military does all of the operational planning and begins to execute the rescue op.

The one thing they CAN’T do is cross an international border without permission from POTUS. So the US Military will be inbound full-steam-ahead to make the rescue, and all they need from POTUS is a “proceed” order. In this case, they got a “stand down” instead.

This is at the POTUS level, it is not a decision taken at State. State and the military (JCS) should be in the Situation Room with POTUS soon after a critical incident like this begins, so all decisions can be made in real time. (I have heard nowhere that POTUS went into the Situation Room at all. Apparently he went to the Oval Office briefly, but not down to the Situation Room, where the “war planning” screens, full staffs and commo tools are all located for dealing with a major crisis.)

But if POTUS punts after a brief Oval Office meeting with Dempsey and Hillary and goes upstairs to the family quarters....the stranded Americans will die.

Only POTUS can give the order to cross international borders. Only POTUS can allow US warplanes to give air support to Americans battling on the ground in a foreign country. If POTUS makes himself unavailable, the Americans will die.

Even the VEEP or Secretary of State cannot make that call. The VEEP can only do it if the POTUS is determined to be medically unable to perform his functions. If the POTUS goes upstairs and turns off his phone, there is nothing anybody can do about it. Nothing. And the besieged Americans will die.

On Friday an anonymous Pentagon insider (”Doug”) called into Rush with a lot of new details about this disgraceful fiasco. But what we really need now is for a high-ranking officer with insider knowledge to go public, risk his pension and career, and tell the truth.

The blame for this humiliating and shameful national disgrace is pointing directly at the POTUS, and America needs to know why the inbound rescue operation was aborted.