DREAM act passes house, and guess who didn't bother voting

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striker754

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All the Dream Act does is give the children of illegals who (the children) were brought into the USA prior to age 16 and who are now 35 or older and who have completed and earned a HS degree and served two years in the military or 2 in college the opportunity to become citizens.

Y'all know I'd kick every single illegal out of the country personally given the opportunity but their kids had no choice in the matter.

The Dream act fixes that.

I don't really see it as all that bad of a thing.

<Shut up JB - every now and then we agree>

So they should be old enough to understand that regardless of what their parents did, they are here illegally. They need to wait their turn just like everyone else. It is a total disgrace to anyone who has come here legally.

Just because America is (was?) great, doesn't mean every Tom Dick and Harry has the "right" to come here even if it is a better place than where they are. We are a sovereign nation and the federal government should exercise that power to control our damn borders. We are already overpopulated with a true unemployment of 16+%. Kicking all these illegals out combined with entitlement reform would be one of the best things to happen to this country.
 

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Y'know what'd be even better? Keeping the illegals--who generally want to work hard--and expelling the third-generation welfare bums. But they were born on the right side of the line, so they have a right to sponge off of the rest of us.

C'mon, we're talking about kids here. They didn't come on their own; they were dragged by their parents. They didn't have a (reasonable) chance to refuse--what would they say, "no, dad, you go on ahead, I'll be fine on my own. I'm thirteen, I can take care of myself!" There's no actus reus here.

Besides which, the requirement that they earn a college degree or serve in the military screens for the motivated and hardworking, just the sort of people we'll need if we're going to continue supporting our native-born leeches.
 

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Sorry, but if you can't be bothered to make your own argument, I can't be bothered to research and make it for you.

I did not ask you to make an argument because I did not put one forth. I said he was incorrect. If you want to think otherwise then go for it. You asked me a question, I answered. Now stop with the red herring.
 

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Your statement that he was incorrect was an argument. You've been asked to support your argument with facts; in short words, put up or shut up.
 

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If you want to assert something as fact, it is incumbent upon you to provide the proof. "I said so, you go find proof of my assertion" is a logic FAIL.
 

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Besides which, the requirement that they earn a college degree or serve in the military screens for the motivated and hardworking, just the sort of people we'll need if we're going to continue supporting our native-born leeches.

This. It is sad that the idea of being an American is slowly shifting away from being a hard working, participative citizen and shifting toward the idea that it's someone who was simply fortunate enough to be born here. Self governance takes hard work if it is going to endure, and I'd much rather see citizenship granted to those people who are willing to roll up their sleeves or put their life on the line for our nation than to those ignorant wretches that sponge off of the system.
 

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