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Billybob

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Yep no problems with public schools or teachers, trust them and teach your kids to respect and obey authority regardless of some of the issues we've seen or the number of results for "Teacher arrested Oklahoma" on Google.

Let's see now, parents in McLoud had to file a lawsuit to get an investigation and action regarding Kimberly Crain, parents in Norman filed complaints for 10yrs.before any action was taken against Christopher Flores and then it was only because of a family issue not the school kids. The guy that killed the child last week was hired by the school even though he had a criminal record, and in NY they can't drug test or keep teachers out of an elementary school even though one or more of them was shooting heroin in the school. And since strip searches were brought read the story after the Norman link and see how the state handled that issue.

http://newsok.com/norman-molestation-arrest-brings-cover-up-allegations/article/3758820

Tulsa Parents Sue Head Start Over Unauthorized Genital Examinations of Three- to Five-Year-Old Children

Rutherford Institute attorneys will present oral arguments before the Tenth Circuit Court of Appeals in Denver on January 13, 2003, at 9:00 a.m., MT, over the dismissal of a lawsuit against Tulsa, Oklahoma officials and the Tulsa affiliate of Head Start. The lawsuit charges that government officials conducted genital examinations on four- and five-year-old children without their parents' knowledge or consent. The U.S. District Court for the Northern District of Oklahoma dismissed the lawsuit in May 2001, despite stating in a ruling a year earlier that the lawsuit "raises serious privacy concerns."...
On November 5, 1998, two nurses arrived at the Head Start program in Tulsa to examine the children enrolled in the program, who were all between the ages of three and five. One nurse took blood samples while the other conducted the physical examinations. The second nurse placed the children on a floor mat atop a school desk, removed the children's undergarments and proceeded to examine their genitals. During the procedure, some of the children cried. One child asked for his mother to accompany him during the exam, but the nurse refused. Misti Dubbs, parent and assistant Head Start teacher, did accompany her daughter into the examination room. When Dubbs realized what kind of examinations were being administered, she immediately removed her child from the room and informed other parents of what had happened. Many parents were outraged; one parent took his child to his family practitioner to check for sexual abuse and another reported the incident to a sexual abuse hotline. Jerome Lee, director of the Tulsa County Head Start Program, stated at the time of the incident that he did not think there was anything strange or unusual about the examinations. Tulsa Head Start officials continue to defend their actions as necessary and appropriate.
https://www.rutherford.org/publications_resources/on_the_front_lines/pr361

Tulsa Head Start Program Mandates Genital Exams

Tulsa attorney Christopher Goree, who is affiliated with the Rutherford Institute and will file the lawsuit, told WorldNetDaily that while the LPN drawing the blood wore gloves, the one performing the genital exams did not. He described the examination area as "dirty."

School officials and Head Start administrators said the exams were performed to check for sexual abuse and for genital abnormalities, but no abuse had been reported by either parents or school personnel, and sources say that Head Start is not authorized to check for abnormalities.

One source familiar with Head Start (who wishes to remain anonymous) said that all children are required to have physicals before they can qualify for the program. She told WorldNetDaily that "most LPNs are not adequately educated to perform sexual abuse exams," and that "specialized training is required for detecting real abuse." She noted that even physicians must be trained to recognize sexual abuse, and she could think of no reason why the Roosevelt preschoolers were examined after having already been enrolled in the program.

Head Start officials met with the children's parents following the incident to apologize and to address their anger and concerns. Goree said the officials "talked down" to the parents, offering them door prizes, "as if getting a trinket of some sort would make it all go away."

Despite the lawsuit, other schools in the Tulsa area reportedly perform genital exams on Head Start children, and program director Jerome Lee does not foresee ending the practice.

http://www.eagleforum.org/educate/1999/feb99/tulsa.html
 

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No, I just decided it sounded arrogant. I am pretty much an expert on this entire topic, and most of you have no idea what you are talking about.
This edit is to add a nice link.
http://www.uscourts.gov/educational...dmark-supreme-court-cases-about-students.aspx
Your link is titled "Landmark Supreme Court Decisions About Teens," and all of those cases involve minors. You get thread grades of D- in reading comprehension, F in Constitutional Law, and F in Oklahoma Criminal Procedure.

As far as the K9 thing goes, in the US legal system, if a drug dog alerts on your car, that can constitute probable cause to allow a search or impoundment of the vehicle under the motor vehicle exigency exception to the Constitution. However, mere refusal of consent for a search, or any other assertion of a person's Constitutionally-protected rights, can never be the basis for probable cause for a search or seizure, as some in this thread are saying.

For an adult who is not a student at an elementary or secondary school, both of these things are true whether your vehicle is on the grounds of an educational institution (no matter what kind) or not.

If some blowhard State employee threatens to have you arrested for refusing consent to search, feel free to tell him to get bent.

Oh, and I wish I was kidding about the "exception to the Constitution" thing. You can thank the War on Some Drugs for that.

I agree with Dutch's sentiment... the clearest solution to the kind of problems posed by the OP is to not put your children in the hands of the State in the first place. I know I sure as hell never will. Market alternatives are getting better and better, especially with online based learning.
 

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Your link is titled "Landmark Supreme Court Decisions About Teens," and all of those cases involve minors. You get thread grades of D- in reading comprehension, F in Constitutional Law, and F in Oklahoma Criminal Procedure.

You forgot "F" in composition, grammar and punctuation. Too bad he attended public schools.
 
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